Fashionistas you have arrived 3-25-03 - 10-3-03

Originally posted by Not Bob
So I rationalize that it's like a bad habit that one doesn't share -- like the secret cigarettes or shots of heroin that some spouses hide from the other. Yeah yeah yeah, I know -- it's self-justifying rationalization.

Kafka-ette knows, has posted (once), and met several FBers. She recognizes that the FB and other chat boards I follow (e.g. hackers.com) are a good way to harmlessly blow off steam.

Speaking of heroin and sharing, here's another story liberated from (yet attributed properly to) CNN.com:

STAMFORD, Connecticut (AP) -- You have the right to remain silent, but what if you vomit evidence before police read you your rights?

Vincent Betances wants his drug-dealing conviction thrown out, arguing that eight bags of heroin he threw up after emergency medical treatment should never have been admitted into evidence.

He contends police illegally seized the evidence from an ambulance after asking him if he'd swallowed heroin -- but before reading him his rights.

The state Supreme Court heard arguments in the case Wednesday and is expected to issue a ruling this summer.

. . . .

While handcuffed and in a police cruiser, Betances began sweating profusely, turned pale and had difficulty breathing. Betances admitted he had swallowed four bags.

A paramedic gave Betances a medication to prevent the body's absorption of the drugs. A short time later Betances threw up eight bags of heroin, which an officer seized.

Assistant State's Attorney Toni Smith-Rosario argued that police should not be penalized for protecting the public, including defendants in their custody.

"Most defendants are grateful when police save their lives," Smith-Rosario said.

Suzanne Zitser, a public defender representing Betances, countered that exceptions to the Miranda warning must satisfy stringent requirements.

"It's not even a close call in this case," Zitser said. "There was no threat to the public or police officer safety."

Wouldn't this fall under the Plain View Doctrine?

[evenodds]

Yes, the OddMan knows about the FB.

I have sent him posts I have written about him, notably his drunken exploits in the old Dude, Where's My Car poll.

[ABBAKiss]

Originally posted by spookyfish
The Marine is next. Please. If there is a God in heaven, the Marine is next.

Yes. Please send the Marines home.

[ABBAKiss]

Originally posted by evenodds
Yes, the OddMan knows about the FB.

Mr. Kiss knows about the FB and has met one FBer. I don't think he "gets" it though. I have visited a site he hangs out on for scuba divers and they talk about -- GASP!!! -- scuba diving and not much else. He thinks we talk about "depositions" all the time. Er, wait......

Originally posted by ABBAKiss
Yes. Please send the Marines home.

Was Josh bottom 2? I figured after not getting bottom three with the song celebration, he was an untouchable.

[spookyfish]

Originally posted by kafka_esquire

Wouldn't this fall under the Plain View Doctrine?

Possibly, but I think the issue here is whether you view this as substantive evidence, in which case it would apply, or the argument the suspect seems to be making, which is whether the act constitutes a voluntary confession, otherwise Miranda wouldn't apply. It's an interesting argument, but probably a loser.

I seem to remember a case where the police offered the suspect a cigarette, and the suspect left the butt in the ashtray of the police car. The police then took it and had the suspect's DNA extracted from the cigarette and used that evidence to convict. The court basically held that if the police did not do this with the intent to coerce the defendant to give up evidence, it was allowed. I'll try to find the cite.

[spookyfish]

Originally posted by paigowprincess
Was Josh bottom 2? I figured after not getting bottom three with the song celebration, he was an untouchable.

Yes.

And he's not untouchable. Look at what's left. Besides, the judges are starting to try to manage the outcomes. I believe Simon may have said last night as Josh and Carmen were standing there, that neither one had a chance of winning the competition. He's out next week. You read it here first.

[spookyfish]

Originally posted by Not Bob
As I recover from the first round of the playoffs, I thought that it would be interesting to revisit an old topic -- namely, whether your spouse or significant other or insignificant other (or all three) knows about us.

You know, the FB. Home of salacious talk with imaginary friends. Or about the related PMs, IMs, emails, etc.

Mrs. Fish does not know. She also doesn't know about the torrid affair I am carrying on with JFF as the result of posting on the boards. What can I say? I can't resist that taut bod. I'm so weak. And you're all jealous.

[ABBAKiss]

Originally posted by spookyfish
...neither one had a chance of winning the competition...

I thought the judges said that none of the bottom three had a chance--including Trenyce. (Not because they were bottom three but because they suck).

I am simply floored that Carmen and Josh made it as far as they did. Although it was fun cheering when they finally hit a correct note. That one time.

[spookyfish]

Originally posted by ABBAKiss
I thought the judges said that none of the bottom three had a chance--including Trenyce. (Not because they were bottom three but because they suck).

I am simply floored that Carmen and Josh made it as far as they did. Although it was fun cheering when they finally hit a correct note. That one time.

With respect to Trenyce, I think there was a caveat. They said she wouldn't have a chance, unless she started to step it up like Kim L. has done in the last couple of weeks. The other two: no chance in hell was the message.

[greatwhitenorthchick]

Originally posted by Not Bob
As I recover from the first round of the playoffs, I thought that it would be interesting to revisit an old topic -- namely, whether your spouse or significant other or insignificant other (or all three) knows about us.

My husband knows about it and has met some FB'ers. He doesn't quite get it, though. Although I'm not sure there's anything to get.

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by kafka_esquire
Kafka-ette knows, has posted (once), and met several FBers. She recognizes that the FB and other chat boards I follow (e.g. hackers.com) are a good way to harmlessly blow off steam.

Speaking of heroin and sharing, here's another story liberated from (yet attributed properly to) CNN.com:

STAMFORD, Connecticut (AP) -- You have the right to remain silent, but what if you vomit evidence before police read you your rights?

Vincent Betances wants his drug-dealing conviction thrown out, arguing that eight bags of heroin he threw up after emergency medical treatment should never have been admitted into evidence.

He contends police illegally seized the evidence from an ambulance after asking him if he'd swallowed heroin -- but before reading him his rights.

The state Supreme Court heard arguments in the case Wednesday and is expected to issue a ruling this summer.

. . . .

While handcuffed and in a police cruiser, Betances began sweating profusely, turned pale and had difficulty breathing. Betances admitted he had swallowed four bags.

A paramedic gave Betances a medication to prevent the body's absorption of the drugs. A short time later Betances threw up eight bags of heroin, which an officer seized.

Assistant State's Attorney Toni Smith-Rosario argued that police should not be penalized for protecting the public, including defendants in their custody.

"Most defendants are grateful when police save their lives," Smith-Rosario said.

Suzanne Zitser, a public defender representing Betances, countered that exceptions to the Miranda warning must satisfy stringent requirements.

"It's not even a close call in this case," Zitser said. "There was no threat to the public or police officer safety."

Wouldn't this fall under the Plain View Doctrine?

I think that you need more facts. Like did he throw up before or after April 14, 2003, and if it was after, how much insurance does the ambulance company have.

[AngryMulletMan]

Originally posted by Not Bob
As I recover from the first round of the playoffs, I thought that it would be interesting to revisit an old topic -- namely, whether your spouse or significant other or insignificant other (or all three) knows about us.


So I rationalize that it's like a bad habit that one doesn't share -- like the secret cigarettes or shots of heroin that some spouses hide from the other. Yeah yeah yeah, I know -- it's self-justifying rationalization.

Yes, he knows about the FB. But he doesn't know my moniker, even though a couple of FBers know my identity IRL. Even though he is (gasp) a lawyer, he doesn't peruse the boards. If he did, it probably wouldn't occur to him that his Mrs. is the AMM.

And, no, he doesn't know about the secret cigarettes, either.

AM(oh, come on, honey...it's just a little harmless fun, kinda like porn)M

[soup sandwich]

Originally posted by Not Bob
As I recover from the first round of the playoffs, I thought that it would be interesting to revisit an old topic -- namely, whether your spouse or significant other or insignificant other (or all three) knows about us.

You know, the FB. Home of salacious talk with imaginary friends. Or about the related PMs, IMs, emails, etc.

Mrs. Sandwich knows that I peruse the Mom & Dad board as well as my regional and practice boards, but she does not know I read this board. Content-wise I don't think she'd care, but if she knew the amount of time I waste reading and occasionally posting here, she'd probably be irritated.

I know no other posters and thus do not send PMs and emails. But if I did engage in the exchanging of risque and flirty PMs to female posters (which I believe is pretty harmless) I sure as shit would not tell my wife about it. But of course I am also a secret cigarette smoker so perhaps this is not surprising.

[evenodds]

Originally posted by soup sandwich
. . . of course I am also a secret cigarette smoker . . .

There is no such thing as "secret cigarette smoking."

When the OM falls off the wagon, I know. I sometimes choose not to mention it, but it's a little hard to hide the aroma from clothes or hands, no matter how careful you think you are being.