All Hank, all the time.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by andViolins
Well actually, the incident that you are referring to was that CAIR had complained to the FBI that one commenter on LGF had made a threat against an official at CAIR. The comment was immediately removed. Several months later the FBI contacted Charles Johnson (who runs LGF), by telephone, about the incident. further action was taken.

Qucik question, many people connected to LGF have been arrested, convicted, deported, or otherwise linked to terrorism-related charges and activities? Now ask that same question about the fine civil rights organization known as CAIR?

aV

You'll notice that I don't quote people from CAIR as representatives of much of anything, either.

If you and Slave want to stand by LGF as representative of the GOP, maybe I could start finding absurd comments there to use here, but I generally think that kind of argument is a waste of everyone's time. OTOH, I know how Slave loves to follow the work of Michael Moore and Barbara Streisand.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
If it was any country other than Israel, they wouldn't be referred to as "occupied" territories.

Well, that's sort of the point. They are countries other than Israel.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by andViolins
Why isn't Guam referred to as an occupied territory? Western Sahara? Northen Cyprus?

aV

Guam and Puerto Rico are just referred to as Territories. They aren't called occupied because the locals aren't fighting us over it. Northern Cyprus is referred to as occupied, if you're on the loser's side of the occupation.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Adder
When is the last time anyone referred to Gaum or Western Sahara? As for Cypress, who is occupying whom?

But fine, what would you prefer them to be called?

The Key is what do the people living in those areas think. If Guam really wanted independence we would give it to them. The same goes for Puerto Rico. So they really are not under military occupation with their natural rights being violated. The Greek part of Cypress is not occupied. The Greek Cypriots like to claim that the Turkish part of Cypress is occupied by the government of Turkey, but it would be my guess that the occupent of Northern Cypress want the Turkish army there.

Western Sahara is occupied by Morocco, just like Tibet is occupied by China. The West Bank and Gaza are occupied by Israel and the people clearly don't want them there and their natural rights are be violated, just like the natural rights of the Wester Saharans and the Tibetans are being violated.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I vote for government that doesn't drive me to drink. Maybe I just think Jesus' ways are too mysterious.

So my choices are:

1. Let severe incompetents who don't raise my taxes keep me safe on planes; or

2. Let average incompetents tax the piss out of me and keep me safe on planes.

Make it a double.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
So my choices are:

1. Let severe incompetents who don't raise my taxes keep me safe on planes; or

2. Let average incompetents tax the piss out of me and keep me safe on planes.

Make it a double.

Someday soon you'll figure out that the Democrats are the party of fiscal responsibility, and that when the government spends money, it's the functional equivalent of a tax increase.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Spanky
It seems reasonable to me to believe that after 9/11 the office of Homeland Security was a little more focused on Terrorism than natural disasters. It was a newly created agency and it had an immediate problem to deal with, where natural disasters were not so immediate (or at least did not seem immediate). They focused on the problem at hand and put off the other stuff. Considering that we have not had one death in this country caused by Terrorism, I feel very comfortable with the OHS protecting me.

As for New Orleans, their focus was somewhere else, and they had to deal with incredibly corrupt and incompetant local politicians. If you don't believe the local politicians were corrupt and incompetant then you didn't visit New Orleans nor Louisian prior to 9/11.

So considering these facts, I think the arm chair quarterbacking and condescending ridicule of their conduct is unwarranted.

Nawwwleeens and Laweezanuhhh govt filled with incompetents? Unpossible!

Nevertheless, our Magic Govt is supposed to swoop in and rescue everyone and sprinkle pixie dust all over the streets which will eat up all that dirty seawater.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by sgtclub
Cite please

What do you need a cite for?

1) Any Jew living anywhere in the world can move to Israel and become a citizen immediately

2) Any of the Muslim Residents (including their families and descendents) who lived in what is now Israel proper who fled during the 48 war were not allowed to return to their homes and they a forever barred from their homes.

3) The Jewish residents of what is now Isreal proper who fled the violence during the 48 war were allowed to return to their homes and become citizens of Isreal.

4) Relatives of the current muslims citizens and residents of Isreal (many of whom are the people who fled during the 48 war) are not allowed to visit their relatives in Isreal proper, let alone allowed to move there.

5) Muslim residents of the Occupied territories are not allowed to particpate in elections for the Knesset, the political body which has control over them.

6) Jewish residents (also known as the people who live in the "Jewish Settlements") of the occupied territories are allowed to participate in elections for the Knesset.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by sgtclub
Cite please

The Law of Return was enacted by the Knesset, Israel's Parliament, on July 5, 1950 CE (in the Jewish calendar, 20th Tammuz 5710), and the related Law of Citizenship in 1952. These two pieces of legislation contain expressions pertaining to religion, history and nationalism, as well as to democracy, in a combination unique to Israel. Together, they grant preferential treatment to Jews returning to their ancestral homeland.

The Law of Return declares that Israel constitutes a home not only for the inhabitants of the State, but also for all members of the Jewish people everywhere, be they living in poverty and fear of persecution or be they living in affluence and safety. The law declares to the Jewish people and to the world that the State of Israel welcomes the Jews of the world to return to their ancient homeland.

Link

More than 1,000 polling stations staffed by 17,000 officials will be open from 0700 to 1900 throughout the Israeli-occupied territories. Hundreds of international observers will monitor the process and voters will be stamped with indelible ink to prevent fraud.

Israel has said it will reduce as much as possible the travel restrictions it imposes on Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza. It will also reduce its military presence in Palestinian towns and withdraw from all cities ahead of voting. Some military checkpoints are to be removed and free movement afforded to candidates and their supporters.

From the BBC

[andViolins]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
You'll notice that I don't quote people from CAIR as representatives of much of anything, either.

If you and Slave want to stand by LGF as representative of the GOP, maybe I could start finding absurd comments there to use here, but I generally think that kind of argument is a waste of everyone's time. OTOH, I know how Slave loves to follow the work of Michael Moore and Barbara Streisand.

I don't believe that at any time I ever stated that LGF was representative of the GOP. I'm not sure why you even state this. However, you made a comment about LGF being investigated by the FBI. Not sure what the reason for it was, other than somehow to argue "see, they're just as crazy over there at that LGF!" However, a review of the incident, which would go deeper than simply skimming a web site such as Crooks and Liars, would show you where the alleged complaint to the FBI originated from -- CAIR.

aV

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Someday soon you'll figure out that the Democrats are the party of fiscal responsibility, and that when the government spends money, it's the functional equivalent of a tax increase.

No I won't, because your fiscal responsibility is built on taking my fucking money. The Democrats soak the fucking middle class, and you can't refute that point with a million years of research and endless bandwidth in which to reply.

1. You can't soak the rich because they shelter it.

2. You can't soak the poor because they don't have it.

3. You have to get your money from somewhere.

4. So who's left? Hmmm.

Who the fuck do you think pays all the fucking taxes in this country? Your party does a fine job running its mouth about the rich getting off easy. But it never offers a solution. Why? Because the solution is to tax the piss out of the upper middle class. Now that voters understand that, your party is running its mouth about fiscal responsibility. Sure, over time you are more fiscally "responsible." It's pretty fucking easy to come up with scads of cash when you're not shy about pandering to limousine liberals, the wretched "entitlement" class and a pack of union whores by jamming your hand into the middle classes' money.

Wealth redistribution from the upper middle to the hands of govt workers. Thaats Dem fiscal responsibility. Bush is a fuckup, no doubt. But he's not going to fuck me in the ass the way your party will, so thanks, but you can keep that fiscal responsibility of yours.

And don't tell me about how much the war is going to cost me down the road. It wo't be any more than what having a Dem in office would have cost me.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Nevertheless, our Magic Govt is supposed to swoop in and rescue everyone and sprinkle pixie dust all over the streets which will eat up all that dirty seawater.

I'd love to watch you say that in person to anyone who was in the Superdome last year. Hell, I'd love to have watched you say that in the Superdome last year. Watch by video feed, needless to say.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
If you have any confidence whatsoever in DHS, it is misplaced. They have their heads up their asses. It would be a management nightmare even if they had good people in charge, but they don't. And they have no clout with the White House or Congress to get anything done. Instead, the focus is on making $$$ off government contracts. It is another disaster waiting to happen.

You state this as if your comment was an irrefutable fact as opposed to some allegations you have read somewhere (maybe on Kos?). And if what you say is true, how come there haven't been any deaths in this country caused by terrorism since 9/11.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I'd love to watch you say that in person to anyone who was in the Superdome last year. Hell, I'd love to have watched you say that in the Superdome last year. Watch by video feed, needless to say.

I'd only be saying what half the country was thinking.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by andViolins
I don't believe that at any time I ever stated that LGF was representative of the GOP. I'm not sure why you even state this. However, you made a comment about LGF being investigated by the FBI. Not sure what the reason for it was, other than somehow to argue "see, they're just as crazy over there at that LGF!" However, a review of the incident, which would go deeper than simply skimming a web site such as Crooks and Liars, would show you where the alleged complaint to the FBI originated from -- CAIR.

aV

My only point was that many of the commenters at LGF are batshit-insane froot loops, and that one can find stuff there just as crazy as what you find at Kos or DU.

I will freely admit that I don't know much of anything about the FBI angle, and wasn't even positive that it was LGF.