Fashionistas you have arrived 3-25-03 - 10-3-03

[Mister_Ruysbroeck]

My wife knows about the forums and website. It would be kind of hard for me to be secretive about it. On the other hand, she is not really familiar with the content of what's discussed on the FB. She thinks it's about fashion and other general BS, but I highly doubt she is aware of the amount of sex talk.

Originally posted by ABBAKiss
I am totally missing someting here. What is the problem? Is it that I haven't watched enough of the show to know something about Andrew?

You are right. I am sure Anderw is looking for a classy lady to be his heiress wife. Especially with hobbies like watching the Packers. She is classy and wellrounded and interesting. Definite marriage material for a handsome heir living the dream of working at the family estate wineries.

[robustpuppy]

Last night was my first glimpse of this incarnation of The Bachelor and so I don't know any of the personalities. All I saw was the rose ceremony, which gets more recockulous and embarrassing every time it happens.

Was Tina the first woman to whom he offered a rose? The blonde with her hair up and the bright red lipstick? If so, I thought she had kind of an ugly mouth; slightly sneery and too big for her face. She also seemed to recoil when after offering her the rose he tried to kiss her; it looked to me like she did a quick cheek turn.

What am I missing?

And the girl who cried is pathetic. WTF are these 23 year olds doing trying to get engaged? They should be out having flings.

Originally posted by evenodds
No, you got it.

She describes herself as "classy," which is a fingernails on the chalkboard thing.

I don't watch the show (shocking, I know), but that doesn't bode well for a long-term relationship. Then again, he's pimping himself on ABC supposedly looking for a bride, so I am sure he has a passing familiarity with the word.

Edited to add:

It's the underlying pretension that is the problem -- for me, anyway. My family would not automatically object to a mate who described themselves as "classy."

This discussion reminds me of a conversation MumsyOdds and I had when I was a young(er) woman. I met a young, handsome Chinese diplomat at a party. We exchanged information and, after the party, I excitedly told her all about it and him.

Her comment was one of utter shock and dismay. She sputtered: "but he's a Communist."

In my family, that was far worse than pretension.

I would also add that her use of the word "classy" indicates a certain need to sell herself as someone who would fit in his world while simultaneously proving that she never would. Who describes themselves as classy? That's like describing yourself as handsome when it is questinable at best when you are. IT is something patently obvious that does not need to be enunciated unless you are insecure that you really arent.

Or to quote debtslave, "classy isnt".

[Bad_Rich_Chic]

Originally posted by Not Bob
As I recover from the first round of the playoffs, I thought that it would be interesting to revisit an old topic -- namely, whether your spouse or significant other or insignificant other (or all three) knows about us.

You know, the FB. Home of salacious talk with imaginary friends. Or about the related PMs, IMs, emails, etc.

Yes, he knows. Generally, he knows everything. (About all of you. I tell him about anything I think is titilating or funny.) He's met a bunch of FBers. He even let me go out on a date with a couple of them unattended!

But he doesn't really get it. The boards themselves or the secrecy. (He once annoyedly pointed out that I wasn't a CIA mole or something when I shushed him from talking about something on the boards on a packed subway.) I do call him from work occasionally to have him do research for me when I'm arguing with someone on politics, however, and he puts up with it (and often gets quite heated in his responses to particularly idiotic posts I read to him).

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by robustpuppy
She also seemed to recoil when after offering her the rose he tried to kiss her; it looked to me like she did a quick cheek turn.

She does that every time (and he's noticed). It's cuz she's classy. Whereas the other, unclassy, girls go full bore and don't turn away.

Tina Fabulous seems more like the type of person to have a college, or maybe grad school, kind of relationship with. Lots of fun, but no future in it. Of course, they all seem that way on this show, despite their visions of his being the "father of their children" (read mucho alimony guy). And that's what he seems most interested in anyway.

[ABBAKiss]

Originally posted by paigowprincess
You are right. I am sure Anderw is looking for a classy lady to be his heiress wife. Especially with hobbies like watching the Packers. She is classy and wellrounded and interesting. Definite marriage material for a handsome heir living the dream of working at the family estate wineries.

Actually, I find her far more interesting than someone who thinks they deserve special treatment because their dad or grandpa or whatever made a lot of money. Tina thinks she deserves special treatment because she is herself. I think Andrew prefers someone who would throw a perfect spiral in stilletos than someone who wouldn't lower themselves to act like the unmonied. The Paris Hiltons of the world are boring and obnoxious as hell.

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
She does that every time (and he's noticed). It's cuz she's classy. Whereas the other, unclassy, girls go full bore and don't turn away.

Tina Fabulous seems more like the type of person to have a college, or maybe grad school, kind of relationship with. Lots of fun, but no future in it. Of course, they all seem that way on this show, despite their visions of his being the "father of their children" (read mucho alimony guy). And that's what he seems most interested in anyway.

I don't know. I think following the Rules is a classy act. Definitely the way to land a classy guy like ANdrew. She might give him a kiss after a proper third date but never before. And its pretty unclassy of him to expect as much from her.

And if Mister Firestone marries any of these outclassed C-list reality hos, I will eat MR's ass.

[dtb]

Originally posted by paigowprincess
given her bio, i would have to say she has NO chance at marriage with Mr. Firestone. can you guess why?

Interestingly, this lovely lady describes herself with 2 of the same adjectives as Tina P. I guess that means she's out too.

Tiffany

How lame are all the answers that each of these chicks gives about why they want to get married now? It would have been refreshing to have at least one of them say, "Well, I wanted to get on TV, and you guys picked me!" or something even remotely honest. I don't think any one of them is over 26 years old, yet they're all "tired of going out". HUH?!?! I was just hitting my stride at 26!

Even more curious, can someone explain why it is this dude needs to meet a bubblehead on national tv? I read the article in the NYT someone mentioned earlier (the one that describes the "chain restaurant" incident), and it describes him as "handsome, clever and rich." So what's his M.O.? Fame? Does anyone think he will actually marry the "winner"?

He kind of reminds me of that guy who was the main character on Northern Exposure.

[ABBAKiss]

Originally posted by paigowprincess
I would also add that her use of the word "classy" indicates a certain need to sell herself as someone who would fit in his world while simultaneously proving that she never would.

This is a bunch of bunk. I agree that using the term classy isn't, but come on. Why exactly would she never fit into "his world"? Because her last name doesn't have brand recognition? What is "his world" anyway? Being condescending to the "little people" is more obnoxious posturing than using the term "classy."

Nope. But he may read it himself - I don't know. I know several of his friends that at least read and I assume that they would report back anything especially juicy to him (esp. since anyone who knows me IRL would have been able to figure me out by now.)

-T(maternity clothes way too big, but pants....toooooo....tight...ughhh....)L

[Bad_Rich_Chic]

Originally posted by paigowprincess
Who describes themselves as classy?

The same sort of people who would describe themselves as "elegant," or "refined," or "sucessful." Or "ambitious." Or "intelligent" (though, if one really is intelligent it might be fair to offer that as a warning rather than an enticement; I note that one of the women can't count to three).

But the problem is the question, really. It invites bragging, which is always unattractive and socially unacceptable. There's not really any good answer, though one might hope to avoid the more obvious trigger words in the class wars.

BR(Eccentric, over-educated, and mellow)S

Originally posted by ABBAKiss
Actually, I find her far more interesting than someone who thinks they deserve special treatment because their dad or grandpa or whatever made a lot of money. Tina thinks she deserves special treatment because she is herself. I think Andrew prefers someone who would throw a perfect spiral in stilletos than someone who wouldn't lower themselves to act like the unmonied. The Paris Hiltons of the world are boring and obnoxious as hell.

My dear Genius Known as Abbakiss

You know those movies, like Trading Places and Pretty Woman, where the spunky and funny poor person is thrust into the world of the richies and it all works out in the end bc one of the richies has risen above the superficial thing called class? They call those Fish Out Of Water movies and they are all fairy tales. But, lets say that Andrew was abovie it all, and he really was looking for a wife on this show, the fact that someone's listed hobby is watching a football team does not bode well for how interesting they are. Sure I love the Yankees but if you saw my bio oon there, I would hopefully have actually hobbies and interests to put up there besides passively watching a sports team. You know, things like text messaging for Ruben on AI. Active stuff like that.

And while I agree that Ms Hilton is obnoxious, I am not sure she is boring. Partying and jetsetting is a more interesting hobby than watching the packers bc at least she is dong and probably has great stories (if she can remember them). ANd she certainly isnt classy.

[ABBAKiss]

Originally posted by dtb
...describes him as "handsome, clever and rich"....

Sounds like Tina the Classy *would* fit in his world from this description.

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by paigowprincess
And if Mister Firestone marries any of these outclassed C-list reality hos, I will eat MR's ass.

If you listen closely, you can almost hear the door being barricaded now.