Fringey's taut-abbed painter

[leagleaze]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
This last quote calls into questions all of the study's findings:

"In contrast, for women, a man's status had no influence on his desirability as a partner."

TM

No shit. That is absurd.

And yes, I think Garner has a strange body. And an odd face.

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
This last quote calls into questions all of the study's findings:

"In contrast, for women, a man's status had no influence on his desirability as a partner."

TM

Sheesh. These studies are all rosy for we non-submissive smart types, huh? Brainy women face handicap in marriage stakes: British survey

LONDON (AFP) - A high IQ is a hindrance for women wanting to get married while it is an asset for men, according to a study by four British universities published in The Sunday Times newspaper.

The study found the likelihood of marriage increased by 35 percent for boys for each 16-point increase in IQ.

But for girls, there is a 40-percent drop for each 16-point rise, according to the survey by the universities of Aberdeen, Bristol, Edinburgh and Glasgow.

I will say that this confirms deep seated suspicions.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Sheesh. These studies are all rosy for we non-submissive smart types, huh? Brainy women face handicap in marriage stakes: British survey



I will say that this confirms deep seeded suspicions.

I was with you until the end when it became clear to me that the whole article was just a clever, roundabout way to say, "Ya moms is stupid."

TM

[leagleaze]

I have to be involved with firing an employee today (not at my regular job, fortunately.)

I have had to fire people before, but normally I am not the one actually doing the firing, or the person was smart enough to see the writing on the wall keeping me from having to say the words.

I am not pleased to have to do this right now, it being the New Year and all, I already told the morons to change their review time/fiscal year so this doesn't happen again. They originally wanted to fire the person the week in between Christmas and New Years. can you imagine?

Anyway, any firing advice? Also, anyone out there dealt with UC much, I could use some off-line advice on an issue or two.

This really sucks.

[baltassoc]

Originally posted by leagleaze
I have to be involved with firing an employee today (not at my regular job, fortunately.)

I have had to fire people before, but normally I am not the one actually doing the firing, or the person was smart enough to see the writing on the wall keeping me from having to say the words.

I am not pleased to have to do this right now, it being the New Year and all, I already told the morons to change their review time/fiscal year so this doesn't happen again. They originally wanted to fire the person the week in between Christmas and New Years. can you imagine?

Anyway, any firing advice? Also, anyone out there dealt with UC much, I could use some off-line advice on an issue or two.

This really sucks.

I've never delivered the news myself, but I've recently been in the room during a couple of terminations handled by our HR people.

It is not fun.

But here's couple of things I've observed about our HR people:

You have to put on your game face. Not be mean, but very, very firm. Our HR people are the happiest, shiniest people I've ever met (they're "people people"), but when it comes time to let someone go, it's like a switch gets flipped and you're talking to a bouncer at a hot nightclub. All business.

Tell the person that the company has decided to terminate their employement.

If there is a specific "for cause" reason, and the person can be terminable only for cause, be prepared to disclose it. Otherwise, the less said the better (anything you say will be used against you in the descrimination suit, if there is one). I assume you have the causes well documented. Generally, you are going to have a laundry list of reasons for termination, but if you mention only one and don't have the others documented, they will be taken as trumped up post termination excuses for a discriminatory firing. Do not fall into the trap of wanting to not hurt his feelings by listing one or two reasons and omitting others. Others may have suggestions about how to navigate this part of the conversation; in my cases, the cause has been pretty obvious and unquestionable (think theft, although it wasn't that).

Be prepared to answer questions about accrued vacation days, sick leave, severance (if), COBRA, etc., including when and how his last paycheck will be delivered. You should have the paperwork ready to hand over.

If appropriate (and it probably is, even if you like and respect the employee), escort (or have escorted) the person to his desk to clean it out. If possible, have his computer account and office access cards disabled while you are in the initial meeting with him.

Wish him well and escort him out the door.

Try to time everything so as to minimize the possibility of people gossiping until he is out the door.

It all sounds pretty cold and heartless, but if your aren't efficient about it, you send mixed signals and invite argument. In my experience, the people kind of know it may be coming, and seem to appreciate it being dealt with in a businesslike manner. Allow him to keep his dignity, and most times he will behave in a way necessary to preserve it (no scenes).

I do not envy you. Best of luck.

[baltassoc]

Originally posted by leagleaze

Anyway, any firing advice? Also, anyone out there dealt with UC much, I could use some off-line advice on an issue or two.

This really sucks.

Also, maybe this is one of those things that if I knew anything about it, I'd recognize the acronym, but UC?

[leagleaze]

Originally posted by baltassoc
Also, maybe this is one of those things that if I knew anything about it, I'd recognize the acronym, but UC?

Thanks for the advice. UC = Unemployment compensation.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by leagleaze
Anyway, any firing advice? Also, anyone out there dealt with UC much, I could use some off-line advice on an issue or two.

This really sucks.

Be very, very matter of fact, and very, very cold. You don't have to be mean but you are not the firee's shoulder to cry on, either.

I was involved in a firing in which we gave a laundry list of deficiencies (all pretty well documented, thank god). At one point, the firee nearly broke down and said "it sounds like you're saying I don't know how to do my job." My first inclination was to be gentle and sympathetic and say something like "no, that's not really it, it's just not a good fit" or some such bullshit. That kind of back-pedalling would not have been good. Thankfully, my more experienced and cold-blooded colleague cut in and said "yeah, that's basically what we're saying." Which was the right message at the time.

[Bad_Rich_Chic]

Originally posted by baltassoc
I know the perpetrators of several of these hacks, but because none of them are particularly interesting, I will refrian from identifying them. Thanks for reminding me my friends are dweebs.

I know the perpetrators of several hacks that do not appear because they are pre-1989. Thanks for reminding me that I am old.

[Not Bob]

Originally posted by leagleaze
Thanks for the advice. UC = Unemployment compensation.

Varies by state. Here in Podunk, employees will get it unless they quit voluntarily or are terminated for "misconduct" (which is a term of art for things like "caught in the act of killing the first-born child of a co-worker," and doesn't cover things like repeatedly refusing to proofread documents, resulting in letters being sent to "Dick Licker" instead of former clients named Dick Looper).

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by baltassoc
I've never delivered the news myself, but I've recently been in the room during a couple of terminations handled by our HR people.

It is not fun.

But here's couple of things I've observed about our HR people:

You have to put on your game face. Not be mean, but very, very firm. Our HR people are the happiest, shiniest people I've ever met (they're "people people"), but when it comes time to let someone go, it's like a switch gets flipped and you're talking to a bouncer at a hot nightclub. All business.

Tell the person that the company has decided to terminate their employement.

If there is a specific "for cause" reason, and the person can be terminable only for cause, be prepared to disclose it. Otherwise, the less said the better (anything you say will be used against you in the descrimination suit, if there is one). I assume you have the causes well documented. Generally, you are going to have a laundry list of reasons for termination, but if you mention only one and don't have the others documented, they will be taken as trumped up post termination excuses for a discriminatory firing. Do not fall into the trap of wanting to not hurt his feelings by listing one or two reasons and omitting others. Others may have suggestions about how to navigate this part of the conversation; in my cases, the cause has been pretty obvious and unquestionable (think theft, although it wasn't that).

Be prepared to answer questions about accrued vacation days, sick leave, severance (if), COBRA, etc., including when and how his last paycheck will be delivered. You should have the paperwork ready to hand over.

If appropriate (and it probably is, even if you like and respect the employee), escort (or have escorted) the person to his desk to clean it out. If possible, have his computer account and office access cards disabled while you are in the initial meeting with him.

Wish him well and escort him out the door.

Try to time everything so as to minimize the possibility of people gossiping until he is out the door.

It all sounds pretty cold and heartless, but if your aren't efficient about it, you send mixed signals and invite argument. In my experience, the people kind of know it may be coming, and seem to appreciate it being dealt with in a businesslike manner. Allow him to keep his dignity, and most times he will behave in a way necessary to preserve it (no scenes).

I do not envy you. Best of luck.

Jesus Christ. This is all wrong.

Call said person and 5 of his colleagues to a conference room with their suitcases to review the results of their latest project. Make sure you have two of your most trusted (and most likely, useless) employees flanking you. Ask someone why the team lost the latest challenge. Then ask the team leader to select two of their colleagues to return to the conference room with them.

Once they are back, encourage them to point their fingers at each other in a pointless attempt to defend themselves for the mistakes of the team. Ask the target if they think they deserve to be fired and no matter what they say, purse your lips and retort, "Yah fired."

Make sure they don't have to wait long for an elevator to the ground floor. And remember (and this is vital), a taxicab with a camera should be waiting for them when they exit the building so they can have the last word on their firing.

Any other way of doing it just isn't realistic.

TM

[leagleaze]

Originally posted by Not Bob
Varies by state. Here in Podunk, employees will get it unless they quit voluntarily or are terminated for "misconduct" (which is a term of art for things like "caught in the act of killing the first-born child of a co-worker," and doesn't cover things like repeatedly refusing to proofreed documents, resulting in letters being sent to "Dick Licker" instead of former clients named Dick Looper).

Heh.

Thanks guys.


Except for TM of course, who apparently has changed his name to Trump. But in his case, thanks for the chuckle. I needed it.

Ok, I am off.

Happy New Year guys.

Hopefully, you aren't fired.

[baltassoc]

Originally posted by leagleaze
Thanks for the advice. UC = Unemployment compensation.

Ah. I got nothing, except that I know that the state of Pennsylvania employs an otherwise nice attorney who gets really, really cranky when you don't make payments into the system.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by ABBAKiss
Does anyone agree with me that she has a weird body? She looks like a man to me.

Its the square jaw and the big shoulders. I go up and down with her. Sometimes I think she's hot; sometime I find her manly.

[Sidd Finch]

Amber Frey's book to hit stores tomorrow.

http://www.sanluisobispo.com/mld/san...o/10550633.htm

"I sometimes wonder if he thinks about me," Amber Frey writes in the 214-page book with chapter titles such as "Oh My God! Laci's baby is due on my birthday!" and "Isn't that a little twisted, Scott?"


I'm not a fan of "celebrity trials" -- I even tried to avoid the OJ trial -- or even law shows, because if I'm going to think about law I want to bill the time. But the public interest in the Scott Peterson trial seemed particularly morbid and bizarre to me.

Who reads this kind of shit? I suppose the people who gathered outside the courtroom every day, apparently with nothing better to do.