The New And Improved Fashion Board

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
I thought sebby didn't like anal?

The anal's fine. I do that more out of boredom than anything. It's just sitting ther, screaming for it... so you have to explore.

[robustpuppy]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
And bitter, because they aren't getting enough attention from men. Because really, across the board, the thing most necessary
to women is positive sexual male attention.

Well that, and shoes.

[nononono]

Originally posted by robustpuppy
Well that, and shoes.

Which lead to positive male attention.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
I don't want to sell anything, buy anything, or process anything as a career. I don't want to sell anything bought or processed, or buy anything sold or processed, or process anything sold, bought, or processed, or repair anything sold, bought, or processed. You know, as a career, I don't want to do that.

Good thing you left out the hang-with-your-daughter part or we'd be fightin'.

Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?

You know you're easily forgiven once you deliver the goods, which is why you're always slacking. But I still believe you owe us some more.

TM

[robustpuppy]

Originally posted by nononono
Which lead to positive male attention.

Toe cleavage is all about power.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Dude, strippers don't get angry at men because they're conditioned never to do so by their marketplace. They switch off effortlessly, unconsciously, their normal human reaction to the often grotesque stimulae around them.

You forget. I have spent a lot of time with them outside of the strip club*. The men that are gross or repel them they actually often feel sorry for them. I expected them to be really angry at some of the men that act like jerks. But they are much more forgiving than I could every be. "Yes, he was totally out of line, but at other times, he was really sweet." "Yes he got out of line but I am so hot, and know hot to turn a guy on, so you can't totally blame them".

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield It's a variation of what I do when the twit I've worked for blathers to me about some case. On the surface, I'm thinking "what a massive douche... he thinks (a) he's smart, and (b) I give a fuck." But what comes out of my mouth? "Oh, I agree. That's the same issue I was looking into. I think we should [insert some phoned in strategic gibberish about case here]."

You don't really think they respect you, do you?

See comment above. They judge men that come in less than you think.


* I don't frequent strip clubs either. I only go there for one reason and that is to pick up on strippers. I don't understand why people go just to see the fruit on the tree but not try to pick it. I went to one about six months ago when Less took me to one for my birthday. That is the first time I had been in one in the Bay Area since I moved here seven years ago. However, Vegas is a whole nother story....

[nononono]

Originally posted by robustpuppy
Toe cleavage is all about power.

Hey, we may not run the company or country, but with proper toe cleavage we can get the guy who does fall to his knees, so, really, why should we trouble our pretty little heads for such narrow conceptions of power as autonomy, financial independence and public respect?

[greatwhitenorthchick]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Women run everything in the bigger picture. They just don't realize it because they're viewing "control" as something exclusively involving workplace power.

I am reluctant to engage you on this. However, here goes. One big problem with your statement that women run everything (which is quite ridiculous in and of itself, but taking it seriously for a moment) is that women can get pregnant. If a woman doesn't want children, she is dependent on the whim of the politicians to permit her to have an abortion, or on her luck holding out when it comes to her birth control working (it doesn't, a hell of a lot of the time). If she wants children, she either has to make enough money to be able to get help or she has to get support from the father, which is not easy all the time. Also, it can totally fuck with her career path. In any event, the possibiliity of pregnancy makes a woman more vulnerable to the control of others, so I'm not sure how that jibes with your assertion that we run everything, even though we don't realize it.


ETnote: I love that I am posting this with that sweet avatar next to my post. God, I look good.

[Anne Elk]

Originally posted by Pretty Little Flower
Apparently, Will White suffered from some sort of mysterious and difficult to diagnose illness that required surgery. There has been talk of a second album for some time. Wikipedia has an entry that is kind of vague and I have not found much better info in a couple of quick searches.

Switching subjects, did anyone see Ronaldinho's free kick against Werder Bremen yesterday? It is hard to believe he did that on purpose, but also hard to believe he did not.

Nice dive Ronaldinho.
The free kick was brilliant. I've seen that a few times. If it works. brilliant. It worked against the Revs this season. <sigh>

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
I am reluctant to engage you on this. However, here goes. One big problem with your statement that women run everything (which is quite ridiculous in and of itself, but taking it seriously for a moment) is that women can get pregnant. If a woman doesn't want children, she is dependent on the whim of the politicians to permit her to have an abortion, or on her luck holding out when it comes to her birth control working (it doesn't, a hell of a lot of the time). If she wants children, she either has to make enough money to be able to get help or she has to get support from the father, which is not easy all the time. Also, it can totally fuck with her career path. In any event, the possibiliity of pregnancy makes a woman more vulnerable to the control of others, so I'm not sure how that jibes with your assertion that we run everything, even though we don't realize it.

If you'd just spend more time manipulating men, you'd control things.

Your problem is you want more than just control. You want to do things, too.

[robustpuppy]

Originally posted by Spanky
You forget. I have spent a lot of time with them outside of the strip club*. The men that are gross or repel them they actually often feel sorry for them. I expected them to be really angry at some of the men that act like jerks. But they are much more forgiving than I could every be. "Yes, he was totally out of line, but at other times, he was really sweet." "Yes he got out of line but I am so hot, and know hot to turn a guy on, so you can't totally blame them".

It's hard to judge based on third hand accounts, but this tendency to forgive isn't necessarily healthy. The "Yes, but he ..." construction is often very troubling, as in "Yes, but, he only hits me when I make him angry," or "Yes, but, he always says he's sorry," or "Yes, but he's a good earner." Just saying, in some circumstances, anger is more healthy than excuses. You probably judge the character of these guys pretty accurately -- if they seem like assholes, they probably are.

It probably makes it easier to get through the work day. "Yes, the speakerphone abuser next door to me is rude, but he's under a lot of pressure to prove himself as partner." "Yes, but, the person who steals food from the office refrigerator is a weasel, but I think she's got body-image issues." Etc. etc.

[dtb]

Originally posted by robustpuppy
Well that, and shoes.

And steak.

[Oliver_Wendell_Ramone]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
I thought sebby didn't like anal?

ETA OK, I can't stand it anymore. I have to say it. Your sig line drives me nuts because it is *two* distinguishable differences, so the use of "only" -- "only"!!!!!!!!! -- is just wrong.

I know it's a quote or whatever. But it kills me.

Fair enough; I was due for a change.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
Come on, man. You can't be serious.

1. Men who objectify women on the street, in the office or wherever, often already have somebody and certainly aren't incapable of being with someone. So, what you're saying is they don't have the power to be with anyone they want. And that is true of everyone.

2. You aren't really telling me that the influence your wife holds over you in a loving, committed relationship is superior to the actual positions of power men hold in the public and private sectors all over the world, are you?

3. Sex doesn't drive all. Money and power do. The more you have of either, the less power sex has over you because, in the most cynical terms, it is a commodity, like anything else.

TM

I guess it depends on what you define as power. I deal with "powerful" men all the time. They have some dough and some ego. But I think the biggest power derives merely from how you carry yourself, and what you are innately. Carl Icahn can fuck a lot more women than me. The difference I'd like to think exists is that I could fuck a lot more women who actually wanted to fuck me. Sex isn't a commodity like the rest. To actually get good sex, and by good sex I mean the kind where the woman digs your shit, and she wants you, as opposed to wanting what you have, is a function of You, not your power, prestige, etc... I meet high powered women and waitresses I want to fuck all the time. It's not about what they have or their drive to achieve. What winds up my libido is some thing I can't put my finger on - a combination of looks and intelligence that sort of just radiates out of some people. I think that's power, and women who can elicit those reactions from men wield incredible power.

I think the influence my wife, or any woman, holds over a man by sheer sexual need and desire, is more powerful in a cosmic sense than any power you or I could wield in a boardroom. It's just a different kind of power. Bringing people to do your bidding by sheer force isn't so much power as mere resource allocation. They have to do what you say because you can crush them. Bringing people on even footing to do what you want by manipulation is true power. Men try that. I'm not bad at it. But women... shit, they have that skill from birth.

I think sex drives all because at the end of the day we can't escape that we are primates, and no matter what you get, no matter what you achieve and no matter how many women you bed, you still have to look in the mirror and consider why she's fucking you. There's nothing worse in life than to "make it" in all regards, but understand every moment of your life, that you have zero "Kavorka." I'd rather attract women than any other skill on this planet, so they'll always own me (even those I;ve fucked over). But that's just me. Like I said, everybody has a different definition of power.

ETA: Upon further reading of this, I realize it's also entirely possible I've just been hopelessly pussy whipped in a sense by every attractive woman I've met since I was old enough to fuck.

[Not Bob]

Originally posted by nononono
Hey, we may not run the company or country, but with proper toe cleavage we can get the guy who does fall to his knees, so, really, why should we trouble our pretty little heads for such narrow conceptions of power as autonomy, financial independence and public respect?

She stoops to conquer, eh?