Making Baby Jesus Cry

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I'm just being fair. Its fucking offensive to blame the President on this one. And that kind of reactionary leftie shit is what's ruined the Democratic party. Its fucking childish. Everything is Bush's fault.... The idiots who write those shitass accusatory pieces just fuel the public's perception that any left leaning person is an idiot.

I almost smashed my new television this evening watching some stupid lefty asswipe try to confuse morons into the belief that somehow, Bush's lack of environmental concern caused or contributed to the fucking hurricane. When that shit doesn't work for those fuckheads, they degenerate to this argument that "rich republicans" damned the Mississippi to make money, and that caused a lack of silt, which caused NO to sink below sea level.

I hate Bush, but he did not break the fucking levee.

Exactly. It's a fucking hurrican for christ's sake. Hey, Ty@50, when all of CA west of the San Andreas falls into the Pacific, will it be blamed on Obama?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Ty, if you're trying to create a "Bush is to blame" bridge here, I suggest changing your name to Ty Webb, a more appropriate moniker for a person offering such a suggestion.

Under Article II, it's Congress that appropriates money, right?

As I said before, I'm not sure who deserves blame for what. I turned on the TV just now, and was struck by the haranging by journalists of officials, on two different channels, for failing to react quickly enough. Frankly, I'd rather see more straight reporting about how bad things are, rather than Paula Zahn beating up on someone from the comfort of a studio in Atlanta, or wherever she is.

I linked to the article because fringey brought it up.

Who is Ty Webb?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I almost smashed my new television this evening watching some stupid lefty asswipe try to confuse morons into the belief that somehow, Bush's lack of environmental concern caused or contributed to the fucking hurricane.

I don't know why this gets pinned on Bush, particularly, but it's good science that having more wetlands south of New Orleans would help protect the city, and that these wetlands have not been protected or restored in recent years. Someone is responsible for that, and it's whichever governmental bodies have jurisdictional -- I don't know, but I'll wager right now some of them are within the Bush Administration. It's not about Bush's "lack of concern," or at least it shouldn't be. Scientists could have told you two weeks or two years ago that this is an issue.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Sebbie, there is no escape. Don't make me delete you, you do not yet realize your importance. You have only begun to discover your power. Join me and Spanky and Slave and Club et al, and we will complete your training (including but not limited to phottoshoppe instruction).

The silver lining to the prospect that this Katrina stuff will, like everything else in American politics these days, become politicized is the breathless anticipation with which we all await your photoshopped posts trashing the hurricane victims as treasonous terrorist sympathizers. Not to get ahead of you, but by asking for handouts from the government, aren't they diverting resources from the war on terror and thereby aiding and abetting our enemies? Why do they hate America? (I mean, besides the fact that they've been left without food and water to sit in several feet of sewage for days now.)

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Under Article II, it's Congress that appropriates money, right?

As I said before, I'm not sure who deserves blame for what. I turned on the TV just now, and was struck by the haranging by journalists of officials, on two different channels, for failing to react quickly enough. Frankly, I'd rather see more straight reporting about how bad things are, rather than Paula Zahn beating up on someone from the comfort of a studio in Atlanta, or wherever she is.

I linked to the article because fringey brought it up.

Who is Ty Webb?

I think blaming this whole thing on Bush is a stretch. Taking care of the Dikes should be a local issue. But having said that, if the federal government did commit to take care of the problem, then they are to blame. And Bush has been in charge of the Federal Executive for five years. My guess is that there is some federal involvement (my guess is that the Army Corp of Engineers was elected to do some of this and the US Coast Guard is responsible for inland waterways) so Bush has to take some of the blame. But the governor of Louisiana and the Mayor of New Orleans should take it in the Chin. They simply do not have any excuse. It was their responsiblity and they dropped the ball. And I am not saying they caused the disaster, but they should have seen that there was a potential for this kind of disaster and to have prepared for it.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Spanky
My guess is that there is some federal involvement (my guess is that the Army Corp of Engineers was elected to do some of this and the US Coast Guard is responsible for inland waterways) so Bush has to take some of the blame. But the governor of Louisiana and the Mayor of New Orleans should take it in the Chin. They simply do not have any excuse. It was their responsiblity and they dropped the ball.

Specifically on the subject of the levees, there is a reason why they are a federal responsibility. Over time, levees have been built up and down the Mississippi, through several states. When you build a levee, you make the river higher and faster, and you increase the risk to neighboring areas without levees, or with lower and older levees. Indeed, the Mississippi is managed in a comprehensive way, as a maritime highway. For a really readable discussion of different aspects of this, check out the first third of John McPhee's The Control of Nature, which focuses on a massive dam which keeps the Mississippi from changing course, as it has historically done.

[pony_trekker]

Originally posted by Spanky
I think blaming this whole thing on Bush is a stretch. Taking care of the Dikes should be a local issue.

Yes but when a major American city is in anarchy for days and people are shooting each other night after night, the least Bush should do is turn off the fucking cartoons for a minute.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I don't know why this gets pinned on Bush, particularly, but it's good science that having more wetlands south of New Orleans would help protect the city, and that these wetlands have not been protected or restored in recent years. Someone is responsible for that, and it's whichever governmental bodies have jurisdictional -- I don't know, but I'll wager right now some of them are within the Bush Administration. It's not about Bush's "lack of concern," or at least it shouldn't be. Scientists could have told you two weeks or two years ago that this is an issue.

The damage to the wetlands took place slowly over the last two hundred years. Nobody in the Bush Admin was going to reverse that in five years. The people who are crying "Bush responsible" and "wetlands" in the same sentence are trying to trick the audeince into believe Bush had something to do with the erosion just because he hasn't done anything to start reversing it. That. Is. Intellectual. Dishonesty.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Specifically on the subject of the levees, there is a reason why they are a federal responsibility. Over time, levees have been built up and down the Mississippi, through several states. When you build a levee, you make the river higher and faster, and you increase the risk to neighboring areas without levees, or with lower and older levees. Indeed, the Mississippi is managed in a comprehensive way, as a maritime highway. For a really readable discussion of different aspects of this, check out the first third of John McPhee's The Control of Nature, which focuses on a massive dam which keeps the Mississippi from changing course, as it has historically done.

You are right to call it properly "federal responsibility." Unfortunately, some of the most shrill and opportunistic on the left, and the naive morons who worship MoveOn, are reading "federal" as "Bush."

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
You are right to call it properly "federal responsibility." Unfortunately, some of the most shrill and opportunistic on the left, and the naive college attitude morons who worship MoveOn, are reading "federal" as "Bush."

http://radioequalizer.blogspot.com/2...n-nonstop.html

Randi Rhodes, Air America, had this to say:

• "This President is never gonna do the right thing. I think somewhere deep down inside him he takes a lot of joy about losing people, if he thinks they vote Democrat or if he thinks they're poor, or if he thinks they're in a blue state, whatever his reasons are not to rescue those people who are (planning?) for their safety."

The Democrats are so fucking unable to distance themselves from their nutjobs that "the President is happy poor dems died" is an unsuprising statement.

The attempt to politicize this costs the
dems 3 seats in the Senate and 10 in congress. All but the core of psychos will be sickened by the attempt.

[Ty@50]

Originally posted by sgtclub
Exactly. It's a fucking hurrican for christ's sake. Hey, Ty@50, when all of CA west of the San Andreas falls into the Pacific, will it be blamed on Obama?

California is still here as of 2020. I have mentioned that spanky beats Obama in the 2016 Presidential race, didn't I? Fuck didn't appoint any of us anything, even though Penske provided most of the rhetoric Spank eventually ran on.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
http://radioequalizer.blogspot.com/2...n-nonstop.html

Randi Rhodes, Air America, had this to say:

• "This President is never gonna do the right thing. I think somewhere deep down inside him he takes a lot of joy about losing people, if he thinks they vote Democrat or if he thinks they're poor, or if he thinks they're in a blue state, whatever his reasons are not to rescue those people who are (planning?) for their safety."

The Democrats are so fucking unable to distance themselves from their nutjobs that "the President is happy poor dems died" is an unsuprising statement.

The attempt to politicize this costs the
dems 3 seats in the Senate and 10 in congress. All but the core of psychos will be sickened by the attempt.

Air America? Jesus, no! Dozens will be bamboozled!

But I'm glad to see that contrary to everything I've read in Rolling Stone, Randi survived that plane crash in 1981. Will somebody please tell Ozzy?

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Air America? Jesus, no! Dozens will be bamboozled!

But I'm glad to see that contrary to everything I've read in Rolling Stone, Randi survived that plane crash in 1981. Will somebody please tell Ozzy?

Crazy train indeed. I run into a few of the Air America people from time to time because they gather at my regular gin mill. They're so far out that last summer I was accused of being "part of the problem" for saying Kerry was running a shit campaign and was going to get his ass kicked if he didn't pull it together. Must have been sort of like suggesting that Regan didn't walk on water in Penske's company.

AON, does wondering if, perhaps, the thousands of people still trapped in NO were somewhat less black and somewhat more wealthy the national guard would have commandeered everything that moves in five states to pull them out, like, two days ago, make me a cynical hater of This Great Land Of Ours?

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by ironweed
Crazy train indeed. I run into a few of the Air America people from time to time because they gather at my regular gin mill. They're so far out that last summer I was accused of being "part of the problem" for saying Kerry was running a shit campaign and was going to get his ass kicked if he didn't pull it together. Must have been sort of like suggesting that Regan didn't walk on water in Penske's company.

AON, does wondering if, perhaps, the thousands of people still trapped in NO were somewhat less black and somewhat more wealthy the national guard would have commandeered everything that moves in five states to pull them out, like, two days ago, make me a cynical hater of This Great Land Of Ours?

True believers of any political movement, particularly the fringes of any movement, are as bad as the Hale Bop comet worshippers. Nuts. I don't even talk to them when they start with that "you're with us or you're against us" crap. If I weren't keenly aware of the judgment they would have entered against me in civil court for doing so, I'd slap silly every one of them I meet. Just a slap in the lips; they don't deserve the open fist.

Dude, the rich were out of there days before the storm hit. You're seeing Social Darwinism working its course. Its sad, its wrong, but there's nothhing anyone or any govt can do to stop these things. When the shit comes down like this, those without resources are always the victims, and there's never a cost feasible way to get them out in advance. And even if there were, a lot of them wouldn't have taken the ride. All they had were their homes. How do you run from that? How do you admit to yourself that everything you've got will be gone, and you life's posessions will be nothing more than what you carry on to an emergency evacuation vehicle?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
True believers of any political movement, particularly the fringes of any movement, are as bad as the Hale Bop comet worshippers. Nuts. I don't even talk to them when they start with that "you're with us or you're against us" crap. If I weren't keenly aware of the judgment they would have entered against me in civil court for doing so, I'd slap silly every one of them I meet. Just a slap in the lips; they don't deserve the open fist.

Dude, the rich were out of there days before the storm hit. You're seeing Social Darwinism working its course. Its sad, its wrong, but there's nothhing anyone or any govt can do to stop these things. When the shit comes down like this, those without resources are always the victims, and there's never a cost feasible way to get them out in advance. And even if there were, a lot of them wouldn't have taken the ride. All they had were their homes. How do you run from that? How do you admit to yourself that everything you've got will be gone, and you life's posessions will be nothing more than what you carry on to an emergency evacuation vehicle?

You always hear about people sticking it out, and this one wasn't expected to be bad until shortly before it hit. B&B said it didn't do crap in Fla., and I remember hearing that it wasn't much at all when it first turned.

Now, a day or two notice, then the levee breaks, a city is flooded, and 100000 people need to be moved, housed and fed. That's some serious shit right there.

earlier this year, friend of mine goes to NO, and the cab driver in from the airport is telling her "this city will all be gone one day, once a big hurricaine hits."