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[dtb]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Carl Icahn can fuck a lot more women than me.

You're a woman?!?

[robustpuppy]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I guess it depends on what you define as power. I deal with "powerful" men all the time. They have some dough and some ego. But I think the biggest power derives merely from how you carry yourself, and what you are innately. Carl Icahn can fuck a lot more women than me. The difference I'd like to think exists is that I could fuck a lot more women who actually wanted to fuck me. Sex isn't a commodity like the rest. To actually get good sex, and by good sex I mean the kind where the woman digs your shit, and she wants you, as opposed to wanting what you have, is a function of You, not your power, prestige, etc... I meet high powered women and waitresses I want to fuck all the time. It's not about what they have or their drive to achieve. What winds up my libido is some thing I can't put my finger on - a combination of looks and intelligence that sort of just radiates out of some people. I think that's power, and women who can elicit those reactions from men wield incredible power.

I think the influence my wife, or any woman, holds over a man by sheer sexual need and desire, is more powerful in a cosmic sense than any power you or I could wield in a boardroom. It's just a different kind of power. Bringing people to do your bidding by sheer force isn't so much power as mere resource allocation. They have to do what you say because you can crush them. Bringing people on even footing to do what you want by manipulation is true power. Men try that. I'm not bad at it. But women... shit, they have that skill from birth.

I think sex drives all because at the end of the day we can't escape that we are primates, and no matter what you get, no matter what you achieve and no matter how many women you bed, you still have to look in the mirror and consider why she's fucking you. There's nothing worse in life than to "make it" in all regards, but understand every moment of your life, that you have zero "Kavorka." I'd rather attract women than any other skill on this planet, so they'll always own me (even those I;ve fucked over). But that's just me. Like I said, everybody has a different definition of power.

I'm just throwing this out there, maybe it's a little bit of a crazy notion, and I just want to throw this in and then let the men get back to their debate, but didja ever think that maybe your concept of "sexual power" might maybe just a little bit have just a little something to do with the fact that women don't have the same social power as men, that is, influence in the political and financial spheres and total control over their bodies?

[Not Bob]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
II think the influence my wife, or any woman, holds over a man by sheer sexual need and desire, is more powerful in a cosmic sense than any power you or I could wield in a boardroom.

Tell that to the unemployed men and women living on the other side of town whose jobs are now in Shanghai, Bangalore, and Ho Chi Minh City.

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I guess it depends on what you define as power. I deal with "powerful" men all the time. They have some dough and some ego. But I think the biggest power derives merely from how you carry yourself, and what you are innately. Carl Icahn can fuck a lot more women than me. The difference I'd like to think exists is that I could fuck a lot more women who actually wanted to fuck me. Sex isn't a commodity like the rest. To actually get good sex, and by good sex I mean the kind where the woman digs your shit, and she wants you, as opposed to wanting what you have, is a function of You, not your power, prestige, etc... I meet high powered women and waitresses I want to fuck all the time. It's not about what they have or their drive to achieve. What winds up my libido is some thing I can't put my finger on - a combination of looks and intelligence that sort of just radiates out of some people. I think that's power, and women who can elicit those reactions from men wield incredible power.

I think the influence my wife, or any woman, holds over a man by sheer sexual need and desire, is more powerful in a cosmic sense than any power you or I could wield in a boardroom. It's just a different kind of power. Bringing people to do your bidding by sheer force isn't so much power as mere resource allocation. They have to do what you say because you can crush them. Bringing people on even footing to do what you want by manipulation is true power. Men try that. I'm not bad at it. But women... shit, they have that skill from birth.

I think sex drives all because at the end of the day we can't escape that we are primates, and no matter what you get, no matter what you achieve and no matter how many women you bed, you still have to look in the mirror and consider why she's fucking you. There's nothing worse in life than to "make it" in all regards, but understand every moment of your life, that you have zero "Kavorka." I'd rather attract women than any other skill on this planet, so they'll always own me (even those I;ve fucked over). But that's just me. Like I said, everybody has a different definition of power.

ETA: Upon further reading of this, I realize it's also entirely possible I've just been hopelessly pussy whipped in a sense by every attractive woman I've met since I was old enough to fuck.

I think this is a bullshit observation by someone who has access to pretty much every aspect of power that can be defined.

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally posted by robustpuppy
I'm just throwing this out there, maybe it's a little bit of a crazy notion, and I just want to throw this in and then let the men get back to their debate, but didja ever think that maybe your concept of "sexual power" might maybe just a little bit have just a little something to do with the fact that women don't have the same social power as men, that is, influence in the political and financial spheres and total control over their bodies?

No. Even if women and men were completely equal, women would still have the power of the pussy. It is genetic, not social.

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
I think this is a bullshit observation by someone who has access to pretty much every aspect of power that can be defined.

I'm still holding out for the accuracy of his last sentence, though.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally posted by nononono
Hey, we may not run the company or country, but with proper toe cleavage we can get the guy who does fall to his knees, so, really, why should we trouble our pretty little heads for such narrow conceptions of power as autonomy, financial independence and public respect?

These things are all fine and worth having, but do they really compare to good sex?

Or a child's smile?

[Shape Shifter]

What sock is this with DD breasts,
Who met TM for a rating,
Whom bankers greet with straws and meat
And hope for anonymous mating?

This, this is ppnyc
Who fills the board with inanity.
Haste, haste to bring her lard,
patentpara, the sock of penske?

Why posts she with such cruel distaste
For spinsters with whom she is fighting?
She feeds her flames with high octane
I wonder what she is hiding?

This, this is ppnyc
Had she lost weight she would have made it to three
Trains, trains full of cute MDs
patentpara, the sock of penske?

So bring her Burberry, Pink and Kors
Ferragamo, Anne Taylor and Prada.
And while we're there, overpriced shit for her hair
(Though we all know that hair doesn't matter).

This, this is ppnyc
Providing well for her family.
Taste, taste, it can be bought.
patentpara, the sock of penske?

[Not Bob]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
I think this is a bullshit observation by someone who has access to pretty much every aspect of power that can be defined.

Sebby has x-ray vision? Awesome!

[robustpuppy]

Originally posted by dtb
And steak.

As an appetizer.

[robustpuppy]

Originally posted by Not Bob
Sebby has x-ray vision? Awesome!

I thought she meant he was a Nielsen family.

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by Not Bob
Sebby has x-ray vision? Awesome!

It's the teleportation thing that really has me envious.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
I am reluctant to engage you on this. However, here goes. One big problem with your statement that women run everything (which is quite ridiculous in and of itself, but taking it seriously for a moment) is that women can get pregnant. If a woman doesn't want children, she is dependent on the whim of the politicians to permit her to have an abortion, or on her luck holding out when it comes to her birth control working (it doesn't, a hell of a lot of the time). If she wants children, she either has to make enough money to be able to get help or she has to get support from the father, which is not easy all the time. Also, it can totally fuck with her career path. In any event, the possibiliity of pregnancy makes a woman more vulnerable to the control of others, so I'm not sure how that jibes with your assertion that we run everything, even though we don't realize it.


ETnote: I love that I am posting this with that sweet avatar next to my post. God, I look good.

I can't debate with you or TM that women objectively have less of what most people call "power" in our society. I'm using a broader, more expansive definition of "power." Some background's necessary...

When I talk about power, I'm not talking sheer corporate of govt force or hierarchical achievement. I view the "power" allocation in those realms as bifurcated - there are risk takers at the top, controlling decisions, and everybody else. The difference between the two involves sex, partly for the reasons you cite. But there's more to it than that. There's a lot of luck and native ability that factors in. I'd say sex is a part of it, and a not insignificant one, but hardly the largest.

The power I'm talking about (and maybe this is more a confession than a rebuttal) is the subtle interplay I see driving so much of what men do. I never wanted any achievement, career or shit as much as I wanted to meet a hot chick with brains who fell for me. That was always my white whale, and I think it's most men's white whales. We do everything we do to try to get the perfect mate. The odd thing about women is they are technically not holding the levers of "power," but all the levers of power are being pulled by people trying to get a resource they exclusively hold (even if the people pulling those levers don't realize it at the time they're doing it). Which makes women pretty powerful.

Caveat: To accept this, you have to believe that for most people, sex isn't a mere commodity, but at least a very unique one. You also have to believe that people have an innate desire to bond with, rather than merely dominate, one another.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I guess it depends on what you define as power. I deal with "powerful" men all the time. They have some dough and some ego. But I think the biggest power derives merely from how you carry yourself, and what you are innately. Carl Icahn can fuck a lot more women than me. The difference I'd like to think exists is that I could fuck a lot more women who actually wanted to fuck me. Sex isn't a commodity like the rest. To actually get good sex, and by good sex I mean the kind where the woman digs your shit, and she wants you, as opposed to wanting what you have, is a function of You, not your power, prestige, etc... I meet high powered women and waitresses I want to fuck all the time. It's not about what they have or their drive to achieve. What winds up my libido is some thing I can't put my finger on - a combination of looks and intelligence that sort of just radiates out of some people. I think that's power, and women who can elicit those reactions from men wield incredible power.

I think the influence my wife, or any woman, holds over a man by sheer sexual need and desire, is more powerful in a cosmic sense than any power you or I could wield in a boardroom. It's just a different kind of power. Bringing people to do your bidding by sheer force isn't so much power as mere resource allocation. They have to do what you say because you can crush them. Bringing people on even footing to do what you want by manipulation is true power. Men try that. I'm not bad at it. But women... shit, they have that skill from birth.

I think sex drives all because at the end of the day we can't escape that we are primates, and no matter what you get, no matter what you achieve and no matter how many women you bed, you still have to look in the mirror and consider why she's fucking you. There's nothing worse in life than to "make it" in all regards, but understand every moment of your life, that you have zero "Kavorka." I'd rather attract women than any other skill on this planet, so they'll always own me (even those I;ve fucked over). But that's just me. Like I said, everybody has a different definition of power.

ETA: Upon further reading of this, I realize it's also entirely possible I've just been hopelessly pussy whipped in a sense by every attractive woman I've met since I was old enough to fuck.

I see what you're saying and really we're arguing apples and oranges. I'm talking about power as in the ability to influence policy, earn money, be truly independent, earn a fair or equal wage for whatever job you're doing, etc. GWNC's example about the lack of power women have over their own bodies based on the laws the truly powerful create is a good one.

Another is the fact that a woman, no matter how good she is at manipulating a man can be dropped at any time. If she doesn't have a job and is running out of time on her looks, she's fucked.

Sure, Bill Gates may wonder why he can marry almost any woman in the world. But, you're telling me that the abililty to attract women is only real when it's purely physical. I don't think that's true. The ability to put yourself in a position of power, wealth and/or influence is an attribute that many women find as attractive or more attractive than looks or charisma.

TM

[nononono]

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
These things are all fine and worth having, but do they really compare to good sex?

Or a child's smile?

Hmmm, let's see, if we're forcing choices here, and if I had to choose between fucking someone so they'd put a roof over my head and having the means to do it myself, I'm pretty sure I'd choose the latter. Which would then lead to my having the ability to select my sex partner (increasing the odds both of love and of great sex) rather than to be beholden to the highest bidder.