Fashion Board 2-3-04 to 3-5-04

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Doesn't it depend on what the marketing is you're talking about? No, it's not likely that an hispanic singer is going to have an inherent appeal (because of race) to a black audience, etc., but ads that incorporate minorities, generally, as opposed to whites only, seem to have a stronger effect on minority groups' purchasing behavior. So, if you're AI and want to balance things out and create diverse appeal for the show and compilation albums, it seems like such a strategy isn't laughable.

I wasn't saying it was laughable. I was trying to get an answer just like this one.

And this is what I thought. So, do they market the Idols as a package for concerts or something? Kelly, Justin, Clay and Ruben all at one concert? Or do you think they try to push certain contestants who will help diversify the group of finalists to keep minorities tuning in?

Do they really try to influence the voting this way? It always seems to me that Simon does most of the influencing and he seems to like hot, young, white girls. But maybe they're so effective, I don't even notice their influence.

TM

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Slut.

While your input is (as always) appreciated, that is neither responsive nor a defense of my delicosity. So zip it.*

*Where did this originate?

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by paigowprincess
Eight words. Bop bop bad dah dah. I'm lovin it.

You're trying to prove a point by quoting Justin Timberlake?

TM

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Yeah, and look how you turned out.

Scroll, then post. Scroll, then post. Learn it love it live it. You can only get away with the same joke if yours is better, and it's not.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
Sweetheart, you know I love and admire and have built my world around you, but I think you might be whiffing on the beta blocker joke.

I were only focused on finding a blocker that actually kept you from posting.

TM

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
You're trying to prove a point by quoting Justin Timberlake?

TM

That was my attempt to capture the lyrics from the latest McDonald's campaign. dont tell me that that wrteched campaign is from the wretched Justin "I want to rock you body" jack la lanne Timberlake.

[str8outavannuys]

Originally posted by tmdiva
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No one was as bad as the Roman brothers, thank goodness.

Jonah picked a really stupid, meandering song (what was that? E/O?) that really didn't work for him, and he went really overboard on the ornamentation, but at least he was mostly in tune.

Latoya was great, really great. I had goosebumps from beginning to end. And it was definitely a good thing for her to go last--I would have hated to follow her.

Leah (whatever happened to her cool ethnic name? I know she wasn't Labelle the first time we saw her) is way oversinging, and is in danger of damaging her voice. She has an interesting sound, and her family background is obvious, but she needs to dial it back a few notches and stop shouting (see also, Diana Degarmo from week 1).

I really like Charly, though I don't think she has it in her to be an R&B diva like Aretha--this was not a good song choice for her. She's quirky and cute, and with some help on song choices she could do well.

Amy Adams and Elizabeth Letendre both look to have gained some weight since the Hollywood round. Elizabeth shows it in her thighs, Amy in her face. Both gave just okay performances tonight. I thought Amy should have picked a different song--she sounded pinched and thin on the high notes.

Song choice is, again, a recurring theme. We're back to familiar songs (except for poor Jonah) a la week 1, but not quite so white (2 Whitney songs and 1 Aretha, by my count).

I kind of liked Jon Peter, and not just because he's Mormon. He has personality, and his voice is distinctive. He showed great range, though his song stylings could use some work. He also has a nice gap-toothed country boy appeal. My sister observed that, with his shaggy curls and his short stature, he could have been cast as a resident of the Shire.

Now Eric Yoder doesn't have any country-boy appeal, and needs to stop plucking his eyebrows. He looks like a drag queen out of drag. They keep saying he's like Clay but without the personality. I say he doesn't have the voice, either. He's but a pale imitation, blander.

I think that's everyone. I voted for Latoya (duh!) and for Jon Peter. If it had been based on singing throughout the competition, I would have voted for Amy, too, but she didn't wow me tonight.

tm

Your boy Jon Peter doesn't have a chance. You're blinded by hobbit-lust. Latoya and leah will move on; would not be surprised if Yoder finishes third, but it might be Amy or Elizabeth. I think they have a good chance to be wild cards, as does Charly. They all got hosed in the sense that they didn't get to go last week.

Your comments about Jonah are dead on. Mahalo.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Do they have some sort of mentoring program?

Michael Jackson fills that role for every demo.

TM

[barely_legal]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Doesn't it depend on what the marketing is you're talking about? No, it's not likely that an hispanic singer is going to have an inherent appeal (because of race) to a black audience, etc., but ads that incorporate minorities, generally, as opposed to whites only, seem to have a stronger effect on minority groups' purchasing behavior. So, if you're AI and want to balance things out and create diverse appeal for the show and compilation albums, it seems like such a strategy isn't laughable.

Yeah, what he said.

I think the producers figure that a minority teenage girl can be cross- marketed to a demographic that isn't currently interested in buying Kelly's album (she's too old to be "cute"), Clay's album (he's very adult contemporary) and Ruben (I don't see teenage girls running out to buy his album b/c he's not cute enough and teenage girls don't want to "be" him). I think they want to target the teenagers who are buying albums by Hillary Duff, Jennifer Lopez, X-Tina, etc. And they don't have a female minority in their "stable of talent" yet.

I know absolutely nothing about the music industry but from watching the show, it's just very obvious that they are going out of their way not to praise the singers who aren't young or minority females. And yes, I'm lumping all minorities together b/c that's easier than saying that they are only pimping girls who are young and/or African-American, Asian, Hawaiian, Hispanic, Native American and/or mixed race.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
I were only focused on finding a blocker that actually kept you from posting.

TM

That does not even merit an E for effort. And you failed to catch paigow's McDonald's ad campaign reference. Did you skip lunch? Get someone to bring you some of those yummy cheesy crackers with peanut butter.

[Fugee]

Originally posted by barely_legal
I think it's obvious that the judges want either a minority female or a teenage female to win this Idol b/c that's the only demographic they don't have yet (they have twentysomething white Kelly, minority male Ruben, and white bread male Clay). Almost everyone they've pimped so far has been a female who is either a minority or a teenager (or both). I think they would LOVE to have a minority teenage female win (they desperately want to tap into the Hillary Duff/Lindsay Loehman teenage girl fan base)so I expect them to pimp Jasmine next week (16 year old Hawaiian girl).

I don't think they care what sex or race the winner is, but they definitely want the winner to appeal to younger CD buyers. The judges have made comments on dressing younger to several contestants over the last few weeks. Last night Latoya said Simon had told her a previous outfit was "mumsy."

They've "pimped" more women because so far the women have been stealing the show. Not one of the guys has really impressed me so far in the top 32 competition. On the basis of the performances, I think the 2 who move on from last night should be 2 women again but there's a chance teen girls voted en masse for Eric or Jon Peter.

Originally posted by Fugee
I don't think they care what sex or race the winner is, but they definitely want the winner to appeal to younger CD buyers. The judges have made comments on dressing younger to several contestants over the last few weeks. Last night Latoya said Simon had told her a previous outfit was "mumsy."

They've "pimped" more women because so far the women have been stealing the show. Not one of the guys has really impressed me so far in the top 32 competition. On the basis of the performances, I think the 2 who move on from last night should be 2 women again but there's a chance teen girls voted en masse for Eric or Jon Peter.

bitches please. A black lady will win bc they are simply the best singers and they already gave it to the lovable fat black guy last year. A white chick only won the first year bc trhe show wasnt yet a phenomnenon and the black guy had a bad nosejob.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by paigowprincess
That was my attempt to capture the lyrics from the latest McDonald's campaign. dont tell me that that wrteched campaign is from the wretched Justin "I want to rock you body" jack la lanne Timberlake.

I don't know what song it's from. But, that's him. It's from one of his real songs. He sold himself (or his voice) to McDonalds. Pretty slick. He kept his face out of the commercials and the only people who know it's an ad campaign based on him are teeny boppers, Abba and me (apparently).

TM

[Sidd Finch]

I also hate interminable conference calls.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
I also hate interminable conference calls.

If that's you typing, cut it out. Or put us on mute. You may think we can't hear, but we can, and it's really annoying.