The New And Improved Fashion Board

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by dtb
Can that happen?!?

Marie Curie?

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
It is apples and oranges... As to the above quote, Kanye West's got my proxy. I consider "loving" someone for his or her power or wealth invalid - outside my hypothetical, which naively assumes we act on legitimate bases. I understand you're citing the "ability" to create that wealth, but I'm very skeptical of anyone who says that which is physically unappealing or lacking in personality can be made attractive by its achievements.

I think being attracted to power/wealth -- wanting to be with someone who is rich and/or powerful, and calling that wanting "love" -- is as legitimate as wanting to be with someone (and calling that wanting "love") who is insanely beautiful.

I'm not discounting your personality requirement, but saying physical beauty is legit and power is not is crap.

[robustpuppy]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
You're thinking inside the box. I'm not talking about immediate recognizable power. Step away from the "lawyer" view of power and think about power in a larger social context.

It's also a laughable comment considering I did nothing but gripe about lack of power over my circumstancces in an industry I loath for the last 7 years.

YMMV. I stand by what I wrote. And I now know how Spanky feels.

Think about power in a larger social context? Everybody is doing exactly that, you are the one who is limiting the scope of it. And as TM points out, you are arguing against yourself. My point earlier is the fact that women arouse desire in men has been a root of patriarchal oppression of women since the dawn of fucking time. Women don't have total autonomy over their bodies even today precisely because they have historically been considered and treated as objects of either procreation or lust, often because of oppressive religious regimes. So to say that this gives women writ large (when you only mean hot young women) "power," or to redefine power as the ability not to fuck every guy who wants to fuck her and is willing to ask for consent, is just plain ludicrous.

[nononono]

Originally posted by dtb
Can that happen?!?

I've heard rumors.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
This has to be the biggest cop-out, bullshit response you've written.

TM

Why? I just got cranked by running an argument onto a limb I'm now realizing it didn't belong. RT explained it pretty concisely - I'm arguing a personal definition of power. And I already conceded to GWNC and you that, yes, in terms of what most people view as "power," I'm wrong.

I guess that is rather unSpankylike.

What do people want? A second mea culpa?

I'm not going into the "attractive women" issue because that's just a pit of knives set up for me.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Why? I just got cranked by running an argument onto a limb I'm now realizing it didn't belong. RT explained it pretty concisely - I'm arguing a personal definition of power. And I already conceded to GWNC and you that, yes, in terms of what most people view as "power," I'm wrong.

I guess that is rather unSpankylike.

What do people want? A second mea culpa.

I'm not going into the "attractive women" issue because that's just a pit of knives set up for me.

FWIW, I think you've given many responses that are far more bullshit than the one TM quoted.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
It is apples and oranges... As to the above quote, Kanye West's got my proxy. I consider "loving" someone for his or her power or wealth invalid - outside my hypothetical, which naively assumes we act on legitimate bases. I understand you're citing the "ability" to create that wealth, but I'm very skeptical of anyone who says that which is physically unappealing or lacking in personality can be made truly attractive (in the sense of engendering affection and actual feelings) by its achievements.

1. You are speaking in absolutes. I don't think there are many people who are simply completely unappelaing physically and utterly lacking in personality. But a person's drive and ambition is certainly a part of their personality that other people may find attractive.

2. You can't just set up a hypothetical and define what is and isn't "legitimate" in that hypothetical and then act like a victim because everyone doesn't agree with that definition. Maybe this is why you feel like spanky.

TM

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
I think being attracted to power/wealth -- wanting to be with someone who is rich and/or powerful, and calling that wanting "love" -- is as legitimate as wanting to be with someone (and calling that wanting "love") who is insanely beautiful.

I'm not discounting your personality requirement, but saying physical beauty is legit and power is not is crap.

Physical beauty and personality work a lot more symbiotically than most women recognize or men will admit on a chat board, where its more fun to give a cold, snarky response to that inquiry.

You've got a point, however, since power is a primitive thing we look for in each other. But I'm not so sure the power we're wired to want is exactly the same as the "power" women or men attracted to "power" in today's day and age are seeking. I have male and female friends who've married for "power." Looks and smells like gold-diggery to me.

[Not Bob]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
I think being attracted to power/wealth -- wanting to be with someone who is rich and/or powerful, and calling that wanting "love" -- is as legitimate as wanting to be with someone (and calling that wanting "love") who is insanely beautiful.

Thank God for chicks like that (if we amend it to "someone who appears to be rich and powerful") because I would otherwise never get anyone to talk to me over Chivas at the airport bar.

Originally posted by ltl/fb
I'm not discounting your personality requirement, but saying physical beauty is legit and power is not is crap.

People tend to build their worldviews based upon their own realities.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
It is apples and oranges... As to the above quote, Kanye West's got my proxy. I consider "loving" someone for his or her power or wealth invalid - outside my hypothetical, which naively assumes we act on legitimate bases. I understand you're citing the "ability" to create that wealth, but I'm very skeptical of anyone who says that which is physically unappealing or lacking in personality can be made truly attractive (in the sense of engendering affection and actual feelings) by its achievements.

I just reread this and, wow, physically unappealing people are by definition unloveable in your world? Or, maybe can be loved by, like, a parent or a sibling, but no romantic love for the physically unappealing?

[robustpuppy]

On a new topic, I'd like to get a sense of what happens in everyone's offices regarding gifts and collections and parties and whatnot. I guess too much detail would be really outable, but at my current place, the frequency, scope, and level of collections far exceeds anything I have ever encountered in any previous workplace. Basically, everybody is asked to contribute to everything for every big occasion (not birthdays) involving everyone, which is awkward, and gets a little expensive, and seems to put a disproportionate burden on (desperate, lonely) single associates without kids.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Why? I just got cranked by running an argument onto a limb I'm now realizing it didn't belong. RT explained it pretty concisely - I'm arguing a personal definition of power. And I already conceded to GWNC and you that, yes, in terms of what most people view as "power," I'm wrong.

I guess that is rather unSpankylike.

Word. I misunderstood what you were saying with that. I thought you were saying you were being attacked because your idea differed from that of the board's. When really, people were just disagreeing with you.

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I'm not going into the "attractive women" issue because that's just a pit of knives set up for me.

HVD. Hot Vagina Dentata.

TM

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
I just reread this and, wow, physically unappealing people are by definition unloveable in your world? Or, maybe can be loved by, like, a parent or a sibling, but no romantic love for the physically unappealing?

That sounds about right. Beat it, ugs.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
You've got a point, however, since power is a primitive thing we look for in each other. But I'm not so sure the power we're wired to want is exactly the same as the "power" women or men attracted to "power" in today's day and age are seeking. I have male and female friends who've married for "power." Looks and smells like gold-diggery to me.

I don't get how the your "power' and power are not at least very closely related, if not exactly the same thing.

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
And it seems like after the wedding, you don't need to fuck them so much.

I hate it when they realize that.

S_A_M