Where the Kids Come to Mouth Off

[robustpuppy]

Originally posted by mmm3587
Anti-semitism still seems acceptable to some people, and I just don't get it. People make comments that they wouldn't make anymore about racial minorities, and people even seem to hide their anti-homosexual prejudices.

Anyway, I have heard comments like this recently, and I think they're more common in other parts of the country than they are in New York. I have heard people use "Jew" as a derogatory verb, and I've certainly heard derisive references to the practices of Jews. That sucks, but it still goes on.

I'm curious. When people say offensive things in your presence, do you have any reaction? Or when it comes to indicating whether you think their views are legitimate, have you concluded that it's "a tough call to make, but that she should do whatever she thought was right."

You know, bullet dodged and all.

Originally posted by mmm3587
Anti-semitism still seems acceptable to some people, and I just don't get it.

I've never understood it either. I have a (Baptist) friend who married a half-Jewish guy (practicing Baptist). Admitedly he's a bit of a tool, but not because of any religion. Her mother hasn't spoken to her since the wedding. Mom's an equal opportunity hater, though: Her brother married a Baptist Korean girl. The mom hasn't spoken to him either.

I can't imagine having that much hate in my life.

I think it is somewhat regional. Here we get a lot of anti-Mexican comments. And most people making these comments refer to anyone of Hispanic descent as Mexican (offensive enough by itself).

[tmdiva]

Late reply to DS's question:

I don't think Ava'll necessarily be on the hook for Adrian's death. There were no signs of a struggle, and I noticed she was very careful not to touch the handle of the knife. They can't pin down the time of death so exactly that it will be obvious that she was there when she died. For all they know, she had already left for the airport.

Welcome back!

tm

[Dave]

Originally posted by TexLex
I think it is somewhat regional. Here we get a lot of anti-Mexican comments. And most people making these comments refer to anyone of Hispanic descent as Mexican (offensive enough by itself).

There's probably something to that. I very rarely get negative comments about minority groups of any sort, but when I do they are usually about our African-American cousins down the road. Very little Jew, Asian or Gay/Lesbian bashing, at least none I can remember.

Some groups also are higher profile than others. And may have "leaders" who love to stir the pot -- the recent actions of the D-town City Comedy, er, Council (seeking to develop black-business-only African Town area, vote to establish sizable fund to loan money exclusively to African-American business) threw just a little fuel on the fire. The racists are having a field day with that one.

One additional theory -- where someone stands career-wise may have something to do with whether someone will say these kinds of things -- people who need to hold a job or are working up the latter (say, GAs, for example), tend to keep their mouths shut, while the self-employed and the top management types maybe be a little more ready to share their views.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
I can't do it. My clients aren't really mine, so I may be in a different situation than you, but I wouldn't put with that shit from the CEO of Bank of America. I'm not saying I'd be yelling and screaming about it, but I won't tolerate people thinking I'm someone it's okay to spout that shit to.

TM

When i was at my last firm, young jewish guy is asked to work for new litigation client from like where not bob lives. the new client says "Well i'm glad to have me a Jew lawyer on board." i guess he meant it well, but my friend felt it was as bad as the reverse.

The worst i heard was in a red neck bar, some really drunk mullet headed guy spouting canned sterotypes about Jewish women. My wife and daughter are Jewish women. I was about to say something when something in his eyes told me he was full of shit and had probably never even knew one.

I guess I think if you move on economically you win and the best thing is to just think fuck 'em to the ignorant, try and make them recognize they're shit for brain but don't worry about not teaching them. I gotthis from hearing anti-itie crap alot growing up.

[SlaveNoMore]

Hank Chinaski
The worst i heard was in a red neck bar, some really drunk mullet headed guy spouting canned sterotypes about Jewish women. My wife and daughter are Jewish women. I was about to say something when something in his eyes told me he was full of shit and had never probably even knew one.

He was lot bigger than you, I'm gathering.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
He was lot bigger than you, I'm gathering.

no sir. I's biggar, but he was a beaner, and I figured he probably had a knife.

[Fugee]

Originally posted by Anne Elk
3. It's not until I go elsewhere (DC and NYC this week) that I realize how white Boston is.

Keep your eyes open when they pan across the Metrodome crowd at the Twins-Yanks games this weekend. Minnesota has the whitest white people you'll ever see unless you go to North Dakota.

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally posted by TalkSock
My previous job was with a financial giant, and shall remain nameless, (however, think Martha Stewart). Shortly after 9-11, all the Catholics in the office went to a special prayer at some big cathedral here in the city and took the whole afternoon off. 2 of us left in the office to "hold the fort down." We got a little offended and we plotted to just leave the fucking place with the door open.

I call bullshit, unless you meant 9/11/1640. No "financial giant" is run by Catholics.

[SlaveNoMore]

Atticus Grinch
I call bullshit, unless you meant 9/11/1640. No "financial giant" is run by Catholics.

Didn't see The Godfather, Part III, I take it?

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
Screw whether the clients are yours or not. Life's too short to have to put up with bigots.

I once stood by in silent horror while a name partner referred to potential defendants as "cocksuckers" in a casual conversation with the firm's first openly gay associate.

As for clients, one (a plaintiff) wanted to make a point about frivolous lawsuits and regaled me with the story of the dumb woman who spilled coffee "on her pussy" --- as if I'd never heard the story before.

[SlaveNoMore]

Fashionable But Anonymous
I once stood by in silent horror while a name partner referred to potential defendants as "cocksuckers" in a casual conversation with the firm's first openly gay associate.

So fucking what?

I guess people should also refrain from referring to opposing counsel as "bastards", lest someone standing nearby is born out of wedlock.

not7y(you don't have to suck cock to be a cocksucker)S

[mmm3587]

Originally posted by robustpuppy
I'm curious. When people say offensive things in your presence, do you have any reaction? Or when it comes to indicating whether you think their views are legitimate, have you concluded that it's "a tough call to make, but that she should do whatever she thought was right."

You know, bullet dodged and all.

It's early, but I have no idea what you're talking about with the "a tough call to make, but that she should do whatever she thought was right" quote.

Anyway, it depends whether or not the speaker is someone I can really tell to fuck off or face-throw the contents of a drink or something like that. I often find that kind of response, if not useful or productive, enjoyable.

When that's not an option (girlfriend's parents, situation where causing a scene is wholly inappropriate), I am more likely to make a remark or simply tell someone that their views are prejudiced and offensive to me.

The only times I haven't said anything were when I just wasn't sure if the intent was offensive or if it would be worth it to get into an argument with someone. One time I was with someone in a group and, as we talked about a (not present) colleague's ex-girlfriend, he said "Isn't she a Jew?" Someone else said, "Yes, so what if she is?", and he said that he wass just curious about their relationship and the reasons it ended, since the guy is Catholic. In that situation, I chose not to say anything because I wasn't sure he had ill will. Either way, the guy was an ass who said inappropriate shit.

Finally, the saddest thing to me is hearing minority groups speak poorly of other minority groups. I won't get into examples, but hearing one often discriminated-against group try to rationalize and justify their prejudice towards another group is just pathetic. My comment in those situations is always, "Wow, you're lucky that you've never experienced racial or cultural prejudice!" When the person responds that he or she has, it usually doesn't even take an additional comment for that person to get it.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Fashionable But Anonymous
I once stood by in silent horror while a name partner referred to potential defendants as "cocksuckers" in a casual conversation with the firm's first openly gay associate.

As for clients, one (a plaintiff) wanted to make a point about frivolous lawsuits and regaled me with the story of the dumb woman who spilled coffee "on her pussy" --- as if I'd never heard the story before.

Why is this anon? If this board wants to encourage people to admit crap like they put sugar on their dick to get a dog to lick it when they were 12, or explain that they have BM's on cue, there needs to be a much higher bar for anon.

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Why is this anon? If this board wants to encourage people to admit crap like they put sugar on their dick to get a dog to lick it when they were 12, there needs to be a much higher bar for anon.

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