Offering constructive criticism to the social cripples in our midst since early 2005.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Again, the ends don't justify the means. You keep shifting from one justification to another. Its fucking embarrassing. Your people sold a bag of lies so badly it sets a new standard for piss-poor lying. Not only is your boy a horrible intel cooker, he's managed to switch stories so often that he's pissed away every pretext he had at the outset.

Shifting. Let me get this straight.

Clinton lied under oath - which is a crime - that is incontrovertible. Having witnesses fear being convicted of perjury is one of the cornerstones of our judicial system. In other words, if people feel free to lie on the stand, our judicial system is comprimised. Therefore Clinton's lie undermined the integrity of the system.

Bush believed what everyone believed, including his predecesser and his predecesser's secretary of state, that Saddam had Weapons of Mass Destruction.

It is still possible that such weapons will be found.

Even if he did lie, which is improbable, such a lie would not be a crime, and it was not the sole justification for going to war.

Even if he did lie, and it was his sole justification of going to war, the consequences is that one of the most brutal regimes in history is now gone.

You need to admit that you just have it in for Bush. And stop using the stupid pretext of the lack of WMDs to justify your obsession.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Not Bob
That's because your great grandfather was old enough to think of the Democratic Party as the party of Rum, Romanism, and the Rebellion.

Blacks voted (in those places were they were allowed to vote) for the GOP ("thanks for freeing us, Mr. Lincoln!") by a vast majority until the Depression, when they slowly began voting for Democrats. Some historians say that the tipping point for the black middle class wasn't even until 1960, when JFK called Corretta Scott King when MLK Jr. was in jail. MLK Sr. said that, until that phone call, he never would have voted for a Catholic Democrat to be president.

Wilson was a racist, as were most white Americans of the time, but he went out of his way to publicize it. He expressed outrage that TR invited black leaders to the White House, and praised the pro-Klan movie "Birth of a Nation" as a great work of history.

Ouch. So my GG was right. Wilson was a jerk. Another hero exposed. Birth of a Nation - good history? For the love of God.

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Good, when the fuckers blow up a few buildings in Chicago and a few of your High School buddies or former co-workers die, come talk to me.

Then you should be even more pissed than I am that we aren't raising fucking hell with everything we've got in Afghanistan until we find that fucker and kill every last member of Al Qaeda.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
Then you should be even more pissed than I am that we aren't raising fucking hell with everything we've got in Afghanistan until we find that fucker and kill every last member of Al Qaeda.

you do understand we can't go into Pakistan, don't you? Another 100000 in Afghanistan would simply mean more who couldn't go into Pakistan.

what have we not done in Afghanistan based upon insufficient troop levels?

[Spanky]

I read this book it was really good.

PBS tonight at 10pm, Guns, Germs and Steel begins a 3 part series.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
you do understand we can't go into Pakistan, don't you? Another 100000 in Afghanistan would simply mean more who couldn't go into Pakistan.

what have we not done in Afghanistan based upon insufficient troop levels?

ps. If Coltrane doesn't post an intelligent response to this I vote he be banned from this board. Let's take the step of serarating the wheat from the chaff BEFORE we lose a paigow like the FB did.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Good, when the fuckers blow up a few buildings in Chicago and a few of your High School buddies or former co-workers die, come talk to me.

Until then, you can suck my fucking dick.

Bite me. Half my friends were within a block of that blast. Luckily, they all made it out. Go ahead, take the cheap one and reply "All three of them?' Thats usually what you offer in the absence of solid facts.

All the shiite you offered as proof of Hussein's danger is actually sad proof of his cagedness and impotence. You wouldn't really offer that shit in court, would you?

Pretext, through and through. Iraq was the easy war against the enemy we could beat and had a basis to go after. Problem was, the basis wasn't strong enough, so your boy dummied a thicker pretext. He made a villian out of a tin pot dictator who didn't have a fucking missile that could fly further than the far border of Syria. WMD my ass.

The funniest thing about your absurd argument is that you cite Hussein's violations of UN resolutions as a basis. Gotta love GOP Chickenhawks. The UN isn't worth listening to, and it should be disbanded... but they've all got ten foot hard ons for Hussein when he violates its edicts. You're all fucking comedy.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Spanky
Shifting. Let me get this straight.

Clinton lied under oath - which is a crime - that is incontrovertible. Having witnesses fear being convicted of perjury is one of the cornerstones of our judicial system. In other words, if people feel free to lie on the stand, our judicial system is comprimised. Therefore Clinton's lie undermined the integrity of the system.

Bush believed what everyone believed, including his predecesser and his predecesser's secretary of state, that Saddam had Weapons of Mass Destruction.

It is still possible that such weapons will be found.

Even if he did lie, which is improbable, such a lie would not be a crime, and it was not the sole justification for going to war.

Even if he did lie, and it was his sole justification of going to war, the consequences is that one of the most brutal regimes in history is now gone.

You need to admit that you just have it in for Bush. And stop using the stupid pretext of the lack of WMDs to justify your obsession.

You need to drop that pretend childlike naive belief that the legal system is the cornerstone of anything. Tried anything lately? Everyone lies in Court.

I don't besmirch Bush for lying. He has the country's best intentions in mind. What I hate are all the hypocritical cocksucking chickenshits who can't admit their boy lied, but are so damn quick to call everyone else a liar. I have no problem with Bush. My problem is with anyone fool enough to delude himself into not recognizing a president engaging in willful ignoraance and lying right before their eyes. He lied. Why not just admit it?

And get off this law as a cornerstone fixation. It reeks of naivete you clearly don't have.

[SlaveNoMore]

sebastian_dangerfield
I don't besmirch Bush for lying. He has the country's best intentions in mind....I have no problem with Bush

I'm speechless.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
I'm speechless.

Thank the Lord for small blessings.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I don't besmirch Bush for lying. He has the country's best intentions in mind. What I hate are all the hypocritical cocksucking chickenshits who can't admit their boy lied, but are so damn quick to call everyone else a liar.

So should we just stop putting people under oath before they testify because it is gettin pointless. Everyone lies anyway.

This may be the dumbest post I have seen yet on the board. That is why Slave can't answer it. It is simply beyond comprehension that a human being could be this vapid. You aren't angry at Bush - just the people who say that he didn't lie????????. How do you know that he lied? I am almost sure that he did not. What makes you so sure he lied. I am pretty sure he believed that there were weapons of mass destruction. Do you have some definitive proof that he did not.

And who have we called a liar except Clinton? And Clinton was not only a liar but lied under oath. You are not trying to claim Clinton did not lie. So what is wrong with calling him a liar?

So you are so saying that not calloing someone a liar that we are pretty sure did not lie makes you angry, and calling someone a liar that we know for sure lied also makes you angry.

You need therapy or something.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Clinton, the great hero of women, lied to cover up a severe case of harassment. Do you believe he didn't drop trou on Paula jones?

How can someone who is a hero to women frustrate a sexual harassment claim and not be seen as pond scum by women?

He raped Juanita. And punched her the face. I doubt he even had the decency to go down on her.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Spanky
I fixate on the perjury because IT IS A CRIME. That would make a great legal system if we fixate on the results of the action instead of whether or not it is a crime. So if a woman leaves some oil rags out, they catch fire, and twenty people burn to death, should be punished more severly than a man who stalks a young child and kills it.

How well did you do in criminal law?

I did not do well and yet despite this I know what perjury is, why it is wrong and I respect the rule of law. 3 things I don't share with my fellow Americans who call themselves Demos.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
ps. If Coltrane doesn't post an intelligent response to this I vote he be banned from this board. Let's take the step of serarating the wheat from the chaff BEFORE we lose a paigow like the FB did.

I think it is unfair that Less can ignore me.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Spanky
So should we just stop putting people under oath before they testify because it is gettin pointless. Everyone lies anyway.

This may be the dumbest post I have seen yet on the board. That is why Slave can't answer it. It is simply beyond comprehension that a human being could be this vapid. You aren't angry at Bush - just the people who say that he didn't lie????????. How do you know that he lied? I am almost sure that he did not. What makes you so sure he lied. I am pretty sure he believed that there were weapons of mass destruction. Do you have some definitive proof that he did not.

And who have we called a liar except Clinton? And Clinton was not only a liar but lied under oath. You are not trying to claim Clinton did not lie. So what is wrong with calling him a liar?

So you are so saying that not calloing someone a liar that we are pretty sure did not lie makes you angry, and calling someone a liar that we know for sure lied also makes you angry.

You need therapy or something.

I'm saying taking all the evidence that the WMD intell was cooked by Bush and his admin, yet still believing Bush did not lie, or at a minimum, actively maintain willful ignorance, makes the person who nevertheless believes Bush was honest in the way he took us into Iraq either an imbecile, delusional or suspending disbelief. You can pick which variety of idiot you think best suits you, but you're in one.

I dislike Bush supporters because you're shrill morons. You have to keep this sanctimonious pedestal for your boy. I voted for Bubba. I loved him. Best moderate republican we ever had. But he was a fucking dirty liar and a manipulator. They all are, and Bush is a screaming four star king liar/manipulator. Just admit he's as dirty as Bubba and we'll be done with this. But you can't do that. You have to make asinine distinctions between lies and manipulations, as though the legal code were the law of physics. You need therapy. You sound like some first year law student douchebag enamored with his new found knowledge. "The law is a vigorous document... why, its the very base of all of mankind... the bedrock of everything." Jesus, if things were only thaat fucking simple. Its a bunch of rules on paper, and its trashed, perverted and twisted in more circles than a Thai whore. And don't forget the persecution of Bubba was politically motivated. You've said that lying to avoid a political witch hunt is a graver sin than lying to drag a nation into war, an absurd argument. Pick a new God; law ain't what you want to praying to.

Lying where people die as a consequence, though technically not a lie under [insert Spanky's favorite legal text here], is certainly every bit as loathesome as lying under some code of rules.