A disgusting vat of filth that no self-respecting intelligent person would wade into.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Doesn't it depend on the purpose? For example, Texas created a program that admitted the top 10% from every high school class into UT-Austin. It's created some problems, but has also helped ensure that diversity remains. And it's not race-explicit.

Now, I suppose that calling for "geographic diversity" is pretty much a bogus way around the intent of the vote, rather than a good-faith effort to comply with a mandate of race-neutral admissions while still ensuring diversity.

How about a category of "economicly disadvantaged"?

Proposal 2 bans some forms of discrimination, but not all - discrimination on the basis of alumni status of parents, for example, is not banned, and that will have a racial impact.

The beauty of the top 10% approach is that it is just as likely to work against the alumni kid as anyone else, so it doesn't institutionalize any kind of past bias; but, it probably also works against a number of groups of kids that could contribute a lot to the school (jocks and art students can make common cause here).

I agree that bad-faith efforts to find a pure proxy for race ought not to work, but I think there can be good faith efforts to promote diversity without making that a proxy for affirmative action.

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
I'm sure they're the ones who don't pay attention to details. When in the course of litigation I've learned how the business works, which is usually necessary to defend a case, I've been quite impressed with the detail and resources devoted to determining the best business approach. It amazes me that these companies would be willing to pay a bunch of recent B-school grads big money to tell them how to do it better, when they seem already to be looking quite carefully at their decisions.

Try working with investment banks - you will see a level of detail unparallelled in the law.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by sgtclub
Try working with investment banks - you will see a level of detail unparallelled in the law.

I believe you mean "unparalleled."

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
How about a category of "economicly disadvantaged"?

The reason that works is because it's "race neutral"

The reason it doesn't work is that it's serving a very different purpose. The justifications (whether you like them or not) for affirmative action are two-fold. First, to make up for past racial discrimination. Second, to increase diversity. Economic disadvantage is pretty untethered to either. Sure, there's "discrimination" against the poor, but not in a way we have a constitutional amendment about nor in a way that calls for "strict scrutiny" Arguably that discrimination is not terribly different from discrimination that lets the rich eat at the Ritz. Second, the tie to diversity becomes more attenuated. To be sure, there's a diverse experience, but that can already be captured outside of the affirmative action process (the farm boy from Iowa in Bakke), and has nothing to do with race, which, if you assume the premise, is the kind of diversity aff. action is intended to create.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I believe you mean "unparalleled."

He included the extra l for extra parallels?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
He included the extra l for extra parallels?

Maybe he meant "unparaleled"?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
I'm sure they're the ones who don't pay attention to details. When in the course of litigation I've learned how the business works, which is usually necessary to defend a case, I've been quite impressed with the detail and resources devoted to determining the best business approach. It amazes me that these companies would be willing to pay a bunch of recent B-school grads big money to tell them how to do it better, when they seem already to be looking quite carefully at their decisions.

I tend to agree with this and your post up above. I'm transactional and by and large the people I deal with tend to be very detail oriented. Most have finance a/o accounting backgrounds, but they are the only people i see making the decisions. Other than when they punt to me,,,,

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
Oh yeah? If you're so f-ing smart, what are you doing HERE?

So there!:anon:

S_A_M

Penance for the sins of my last 2 previous lives.

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
He included the extra l for extra parallels?

Exactly. Trying to make a point. You obviously have the ATD necessary to represent me.

[Penske_Account]

Running.....apparently......



Sen. Barack Obama launched a historic campaign Tuesday to become the first black president of the United States and immediately tried to turn his political inexperience into an asset with voters seeking change.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Running.....apparently......



Sen. Barack Obama launched a historic campaign Tuesday to become the first black president of the United States and immediately tried to turn his political inexperience into an asset with voters seeking change.

Do you feel even the tiniest spark of shame as you smear this man? I doubt it, but I thought I'd ask.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Do you feel even the tiniest spark of shame as you smear this man? I doubt it, but I thought I'd ask.

Is "shame" measured in sparks? I thought it was sense-ory perception, no?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Is "shame" measured in sparks? I thought it was sense-ory perception, no?

Speaking of which, which historical lunatic are you?

Me, I'm:

[Adder]

To the extent that anyone cares, the managing partner at my firm (among those that have been mentioned in the press) sent out a firmwide memo support our representation of detainees and confirming that the firm is not getting paid for it.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Adder
To the extent that anyone cares, the managing partner at my firm (among those that have been mentioned in the press) sent out a firmwide memo support our representation of detainees and confirming that the firm is not getting paid for it.

I am now boycotting you. Congratulations, way to make rain.