Where the Kids Come to Mouth Off

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Pretty Little Flower
Did it work?

RT. Can I answer this anon?

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by mmm3587
Finally, the saddest thing to me is hearing minority groups speak poorly of other minority groups. I won't get into examples, but hearing one often discriminated-against group try to rationalize and justify their prejudice towards another group is just pathetic. My comment in those situations is always, "Wow, you're lucky that you've never experienced racial or cultural prejudice!" When the person responds that he or she has, it usually doesn't even take an additional comment for that person to get it.

Wow. I was going to just let you be because you were trying so hard in all your posts, but I can't pass this one up.

1. The fact that this is "the saddest thing" in your eyes is unbelievable. It's just as awful as when white people discriminate, but no worse. Any rationalization on their (or anyone's part) is pure bullshit, plain and simple. But the fact that someone exhibiting prejudice has experienced prejudice is not an aggravating factor when condemning them for same.

2. I would love to see you in action. I can't possibly see how you could point out how lucky someone was that they've never experienced racial or cultural prejudice in those situations, where that someone is a minority exhibiting racism to a different minority, without coming off as a condescending prick. I would love to know exactly where you live, because it sounds like the safest place in the world. Don't ever move.

TM

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Fashionable But Anonymous
I once stood by in silent horror while a name partner referred to potential defendants as "cocksuckers" in a casual conversation with the firm's first openly gay associate.

As for clients, one (a plaintiff) wanted to make a point about frivolous lawsuits and regaled me with the story of the dumb woman who spilled coffee "on her pussy" --- as if I'd never heard the story before.

So its also a sexist slur? Should I expect the little twist in the Lisa Loeb shades down the hall to get all bent up when I use it in front of her? Whatever. Our language is already generic enough because of PC ninnies. Should I be careful to avoid using "motherfucker" so as not to offend fathers around me? Maybe I should just stick to "fucker" and offend everyone. Or perhaps I'll go British-coarse and start using "cunt" all the time. When women get wound up about it, I'll chide them for being so parochial and domestic.

I never use "pussy". Its degrading. I go with "trim".

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
So its also a sexist slur? Should I expect the little twist in the Lisa Loeb shades down the hall to get all bent up when I use it in front of her? Whatever. Our language is already generic enough because of PC ninnies. Should I be careful to avoid using "motherfucker" so as not to offend fathers around me?

I think in the anon's example, it would be pretty easy to determine if he was using the term to denigrate his target because they are gay or if he was using the term because people who piss him off should generally be considered cocksuckers. It's one of those, "you had to be there/know it when you see it" standards.

Maybe the anon could clear it up.

TM

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
He was lot bigger than you, I'm gathering.

One thing to know about confronting rednecks: they will poke, gauge, cheat and/or do anything possible to win a fight, but they will also tire in about 30 seconds. No one is in worse shape then a redneck. Tire em out like Rocky does with Clubber Lang.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
What surprises me is the need to point out someone's race - i.e. "he's black and he's really smart". As if one has anything to do with the other - no one would say "he's white and he's really smart", even if they were just being descriptive. I have heard that kind of thing more than once.

My favorite is watching local sports guys throw out (Chappelle white stiff guy voice here) "Well, he's really a spectacular young man... so articulate."

I'd love to see one of these players interviewed by the same sports guy at a later date say something like "Well, how do, missa Jones... shine a shoe fo' you? How bout some soft shoe?"

[greatwhitenorthchick]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield

I never use "pussy". Its degrading.

Why is pussy degrading? It's slang, but I never thought of it as a put-down.

And cocksucker is my favorite. Woe betide the person who makes me stop using it.

I'm tremendously hungover and I have to interview someone shortly. Fuck. I'm bad enough at this shit on a good day.

eta of course it's a put-down if you are calling someone a pussy as opposed to referring to that part. That's what I meant. Forgive my inarticulateness.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
One thing to know about confronting rednecks: they will poke, gauge, cheat and/or do anything possible to win a fight, but they will also tire in about 30 seconds. No one is in worse shape then a redneck. Tire em out like Rocky does with Clubber Lang.

Yeh, but they tend to have guns handy. My big mouth has gotten me up front and personal with rednecks a few times and, lemme put it this way... I walked before they made me run.

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
So its also a sexist slur? Should I expect the little twist in the Lisa Loeb shades down the hall to get all bent up when I use it in front of her? Whatever. Our language is already generic enough because of PC ninnies. Should I be careful to avoid using "motherfucker" so as not to offend fathers around me? Maybe I should just stick to "fucker" and offend everyone. Or perhaps I'll go British-coarse and start using "cunt" all the time. When women get wound up about it, I'll chide them for being so parochial and domestic.

I never use "pussy". Its degrading. I go with "trim".

Agreed! The PCification of our culture has turned a once colorful language into a flaccid and boring means of communication, entirely lacking in spark or creativity. I'm sorry, but I refuse to use the word "waitron." And it is cute and everything that the word "history" can be seen as a contraction of "his story" but I am not going to try to come up with some other word for that so I do not accidently offend the uptight feminist cunt-bitches around me. And if one of my African-American colleagues is not working hard, I am going to call him or her a lazy shiftless nigger - I am not going to let the PC nazis tell me that this is "not correct speak" or something. Nor am I going to stop using the word "nazi" as a shorthand for totalitarians just because some kike is all sensitive about WWII.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
Why is pussy degrading? It's slang, but I never thought of it as a put-down.

And cocksucker is my favorite. Woe betide the person who makes me stop using it.

I'm tremendously hungover and I have to interview someone shortly. Fuck. I'm bad enough at this shit on a good day.

I was kidding about pussy being degrading. I love the word. Every man loves the word.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
Tire em out like Rocky does with Clubber Lang.

Hmmmm. That sounds familiar. I'm pretty sure I saw this strategy somewhere else, but...

Oh yeah.



Thurgreed(loved Mr. T in that flick)Marshall

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
Hmmmm. That sounds familiar. I'm pretty sure I saw this strategy somewhere else, but...

Ali vs. Foreman

Thurgreed(loved Mr. T in that flick)Marshall

It's much more fun to reference Rocky sequels than real life.

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by Fashionable But Anonymous
I once stood by in silent horror while a name partner referred to potential defendants as "cocksuckers" in a casual conversation with the firm's first openly gay associate.

As for clients, one (a plaintiff) wanted to make a point about frivolous lawsuits and regaled me with the story of the dumb woman who spilled coffee "on her pussy" --- as if I'd never heard the story before.

See, I use "cocksucker" all the time. I have been known, from time to time, to suck cock, so may be I get a pass, but I don't find it that offensive. I don't know how many gay people do.

[mmm3587]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
Wow. I was going to just let you be because you were trying so hard in all your posts, but I can't pass this one up.

1. The fact that this is "the saddest thing" in your eyes is unbelievable. It's just as awful as when white people discriminate, but no worse. Any rationalization on their (or anyone's part) is pure bullshit, plain and simple. But the fact that someone exhibiting prejudice has experienced prejudice is not an aggravating factor when condemning them for same.

2. I would love to see you in action. I can't possibly see how you could point out how lucky someone was that they've never experienced racial or cultural prejudice in those situations, where that someone is a minority exhibiting racism to a different minority, without coming off as a condescending prick. I would love to know exactly where you live, because it sounds like the safest place in the world. Don't ever move.

TM

Your attempts to always paint me as disagreeable are really old and transparent. Condescending prick, pot, kettle. I wouldn't care to see you in action or be around you. You seem like a petty, pathetic malfeasor who is just trying to stir things up and can't understand why no one likes him or wants to be around him. I hope that the identity you have crafted on the FB makes you happy, fulfills you and does something to mask the apparent emptiness in your real life.

It doesn't make it ok or better or justified to hear some rich, white protestant spout vitriol against blacks or jews, but it's easier to see how prejudices develop in people who haven't felt the results of those kinds of beliefs. If you are Joe Wasp from Omaha, you might not have ever had a group of black kids or Jews point at you and laugh at you and spout all manner of disgusting slurs. Joe Wasp might even never have felt any prejudice at all, at least not on the level of being hated merely for his skin color.

However, it's my impression that most, if not all, for example, blacks and Jews have felt some of that kind of treatment sometime in their lives. And I do find that lack of empathy for others experiencing prejudice sad. Every person should be able to understand how prejudice makes others feel and is inappropriate; every person who has experienced the disgusting extreme of that prejudice should especially feel that sort of empathy.

Why should I give one minority a pass when that person uses, for example, a slur and a derisive adjective to describe another minority? Are you actually making the "minorities can't be racist" argument? Or are you just suggesting that it's inappropriate for me to point out to someone who has experienced prejudice that what he is doing is just as bad? Because that's stupid, too. Encouraging introspection is the most effective way to get people to change their beliefs.

You can bet that I would respond in the most effective way (to the extent appropriate in a professional setting or unlikely to cause a brawl) to get people to actually reconsider their beliefs, actions or statements. I think it's also sad and pathetic that you're more concerned about pointing a finger and trying to be better than everyone else than actually trying to address a problem. But it's doesn't surprise me.

[soup sandwich]

Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
It's much more fun to reference Rocky sequels than real life.

Coltrane's right. Watch this:

Rocky (addressing the Soviet audience): I guess what I'm trying to say is, if I can change, and you can change, everybody can change!