The New And Improved Fashion Board

[NotFromHere]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Physical beauty and personality work a lot more symbiotically than most women recognize or men will admit on a chat board, where its more fun to give a cold, snarky response to that inquiry.

You've got a point, however, since power is a primitive thing we look for in each other. But I'm not so sure the power we're wired to want is exactly the same as the "power" women or men attracted to "power" in today's day and age are seeking. I have male and female friends who've married for "power." Looks and smells like gold-diggery to me.

This whole exchange just reminds me of Zsa Zsa and Donald Trump.

[nononono]

Originally posted by robustpuppy
Ok, I am not a meanie for thinking that my office is totally ridiculous. I think the problem is that the traditions established when the place was very small and everyone knew everyone else have been continued despite the fact that it's now pretty big and impersonal.

I caved this time, because I am a wimp, but honestly, the request for contributions was done in a way designed to induce giving out of guilt, nd the size of the contribution was large, and I can't be the only one who thought it was obnoxious. I would rather allocate twice as much to the gift for my assistant.

I think my office is ridiculous. I hate being a jerk, but being asked to contribute both for flowers and for a big basket of gifts for one attorney who had an operation, plus the welcome-back plant, was annoying.

How much for the secretary's gift?

[NotFromHere]

Originally posted by LessinSF
You are doing better, but yet have unexplainably failed to link us to Lohan doing AA. You may wonder, given my past comments, why I would care to see that link. I don't, but if you are going to give us your abridged version of the same crap I can read in the supermarket line, at least give me useful titbits, like that the new place at which to try to bang Lohan is meetings, not Hollywood clubs.

I remain your unhumble, disappointed, pixilated, non-servant LessinSF.

That could potentially happen if I cared at all about what you want or need.

Lohan's been in rehab for weeks and weeks. I posted a picture of her carrying her 12 step keychain or whatever it is they give you after 45 days.

In other old news, Jennifer Anniston and Vince Vaughn have split even though neither ever admitted to having been together in the first place. So whoever was after Vince Vaughn, you now have a shot at him.

Also, Mary Cheney is pregnant.

Eddie Murphy does not believe that Scary Spice's baby is his.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
I think your definition of "personality" is limited. People who end up very wealthy or powerful have specific personality traits that make them that way. I don't think those traits are easy to hide when talking to them at a bar and I also think people find those traits attractive.
TM

True. But here's the thing. Brains and inquisitiveness and humor are impossible to hide, and obvious without getting into a discussion of what the person does or intends to do. You can't fuck anyone without discussing their job in some context. The problem is when one of the parties is asking about the job, or interested not in the traits that would make an inquisitive person successful, but how the person intends to use them to gain success, and worse, what kind of success the person envisions. This is a fine distinction, but a big one. Being into someone's innate drive and intelligence is great. Being into it because of what it's likely to, or has already created, is not.

[notcasesensitive]

Originally posted by Jack Manfred
That album was recorded before I was born. In high school, classic rock was popular. It was played on the radio and was constantly being used in beer commericals. Greg Allman even had videos (with lots of "powerful" scantily-clad women) on MTV. There didn't seem to be any need to pay for what was abundant.

I didn't get seriously into music until college. Grunge happened and that dominated the musical landscape of my college days. I also got into jazz, but I was under the influence of Wynton Marsalis, so I thought fusion was crap. I've grown up a lot since then. Now I just think that most fusion is crap.

That's why I asked for recommendations. You can still hear most classic rock singles on any AOR station in the country. That means unless you want to sync Pink Floyd to The Wizard of Oz, the only albums you need are albums full of great songs that don't get played on the radio.

I still say (or I say now if I didn't say it before) Pink Floyd The Final Cut. Roger Waters's* last hurrah. And a great 80's anti-war screed. You won't hear any of the songs on the radio, but every single song is excellent. But I hear it is not for everyone. Only Sebby and me, apparently.

It is on my Christmas wish list - I need a new copy (hoping it has been remastered) because something happened to Two Suns In The Sunset and it is wholly unsatisfying to hear the entire album and then miss the final word. Not Now John is a bit of a harsh way** to leave things.


*really? this is how I'm supposed to do this?
**I'd much rather make it to armageddon, I guess.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by nononono
So you are saying that what a person looks like is more a part of "who they are" than what they choose to do with their time?

Not just the appearence. Body language plays into it a lot. It's like watching a foreign movie. I don't know what the hell it means (consciously, at least), but I'm hoping it has a nude scene.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by notcasesensitive
I still say (or I say now if I didn't say it before) Pink Floyd The Final Cut. Roger Waters's* last hurrah. And a great 80's anti-war screed. You won't hear any of the songs on the radio, but every single song is excellent. But I hear it is not for everyone. Only Sebby and me, apparently.

The solo in "Fletecher Memorial Home" is probably the most elegant thing done with a guitar since Hendrix's ending to "Axis: Bold as Love."

Gilmore can never be overrated. So fucking smooth and simple and clean.

[NotFromHere]

What the hell happened to Carson Daly?


Didn't he used to be a relatively attractive, normal looking guy?
I'm not talking about the plant on his head or the horrific sweater, but his face. It looks a puckered and drawn.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
True. But here's the thing. Brains and inquisitiveness and humor are impossible to hide, and obvious without getting into a discussion of what the person does or intends to do. You can't fuck anyone without discussing their job in some context. The problem is when one of the parties is asking about the job, or interested not in the traits that would make an inquisitive person successful, but how the person intends to use them to gain success, and worse, what kind of success the person envisions. This is a fine distinction, but a big one. Being into someone's innate drive and intelligence is great. Being into it because of what it's likely to, or has already created, is not.

Couldn't agree more. But some would argue that shunning a woman who has a fantastic personality, is cool as hell and fucks like a dirty little tramp who can't get enough, just because she is is fat and ugly isn't fine either.

And now I don't think we're even on the same topic we started with. And we're probably not even arguing. But I expect a full, detailed response nonetheless.

TM

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
Couldn't agree more. But some would argue that shunning a woman who has a fantastic personality, is cool as hell and fucks like a dirty little tramp who can't get enough, just because she is is fat and ugly isn't fine either.

And now I don't think we're even on the same topic we started with. And we're probably not even arguing. But I expect a full, detailed response nonetheless.

TM

Nope. I got nothin.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by robustpuppy
It's hard to judge based on third hand accounts, but this tendency to forgive isn't necessarily healthy. The "Yes, but he ..." construction is often very troubling, as in "Yes, but, he only hits me when I make him angry," or "Yes, but, he always says he's sorry," or "Yes, but he's a good earner." Just saying, in some circumstances, anger is more healthy than excuses. You probably judge the character of these guys pretty accurately -- if they seem like assholes, they probably are.


It probably makes it easier to get through the work day. "Yes, the speakerphone abuser next door to me is rude, but he's under a lot of pressure to prove himself as partner." "Yes, but, the person who steals food from the office refrigerator is a weasel, but I think she's got body-image issues." Etc. etc.

I think you are right in that there is something wrong in the way they were (And are) forgiving towards men. I think that is lot worse (and more dangerous) than being hostile. You can say what you want about rabid feminists, but at least they are not getting beat up at home or letting some boyfriend walk all over them.

[pony_trekker]

Originally posted by nononono
I hate being a jerk . . .

Then don't be if that's possible. STFU and contribute a fucking dollar.

Why don't you come work here, where political contributions of $1000 are expected.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by pony_trekker
Why don't you come work here, where political contributions of $1000 are expected.

No problem. You pay me $600k and I'll contribute to both parties.

TM

[LessinSF]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
The power I'm talking about (and maybe this is more a confession than a rebuttal) is the subtle interplay I see driving so much of what men do. I never wanted any achievement, career or shit as much as I wanted to meet a hot chick with brains who fell for me. That was always my white whale, and I think it's most men's white whales. We do everything we do to try to get the perfect mate. The odd thing about women is they are technically not holding the levers of "power," but all the levers of power are being pulled by people trying to get a resource they exclusively hold (even if the people pulling those levers don't realize it at the time they're doing it). Which makes women pretty powerful.

i.e. why the ugly, dumb, personality-deficient kids join rock bands. Cuz it ain't for the money.

[dtb]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
The idea of being with someone seriously for reasons other than purely being into that person for exclusively what they are - their physical self and personality, sitting across from you at a bar, chatting... you without any info about her background or what she does for a living - kind of grosses me out.

Do you honestly think that people are their bodies/physical self? Do you think that what someone does is not inherent in his or her personality?

Furthermore, what someone does for a living or what they find entertaining or enjoyable is a reflection of their personality and what he or she finds worthwhile and important in life. Isn't it a lot harder to separate someone's interests/profession (which are, for the most part, selected by the person) from his personality than it is to separate someone's body or appearance (which, for the most part, are not selected by the person) from his personality.