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03-12-2004, 06:42 PM
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#3376
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In my dreams ...
Join Date: Apr 2003
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Bad day for gays
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Originally posted by Not Me
No, I find the male obsession with sports just as trivial. I never said engaging in the trivial is bad. I just said when that is all you engage in it is bad. Far too many women just don't want to be bothered with more serious subjects and they especially don't like things if they get heated or confrontational.
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I was challening your view of what is trivial and what is serious. Reading comprehension is one of those things they teach in those unimportant arts programs. Funny you didn't manage to master such a non-rigorous skill.
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You've missed my point. My point is that far too many women conform their behavior because they do in fact care not to be threatening to men. They want to be liked by men and will change their behavior to curry favor with men.
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No, my point was that you are assuming that those women study arts subjects to conform to male expectations. And I was asserting that your deeming arts subjects more trivial than science conforms to male expectations.
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There is no feminine education nor is there a masculine education. The subject matter that one studies to become educated shouldn't depend on your gender.
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Excellent statement of the obvious.
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All the engineering departments that I am familar with do not allow non-science majors to take their classes. In large part this is because the engineers have to take an entire years worth of science and math classes as prerequisites to taking any engineering classes.
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Often true, particularly if the engineers are in an entirely different school, which was the configuration at two of the univs I attended pre-law. Though sometimes you can test in, which I did at the second. I had a double major for a few years at the first. I wasn't top of the class when I dropped out, but I was top 1/4.
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What engineering classes did you take in college or grad school? I am asking you for the name of the course.
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Hell, it was a long time ago, I don't remember the course names. 2 years physics, about 2 years calculus, through DiffEq. Some statistics.
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Funny that no such class exists.
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Actually, they do.
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Funny that they don't have to dumb down poetry classes for chemistry majors.
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Actually, they do.
Actually I just realized that the reason you can't discuss this topic coherently is because you are too poorly educated.
BR(going home to engage in trivial cultural activities)C
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03-12-2004, 06:49 PM
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#3377
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In my dreams ...
Join Date: Apr 2003
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Bad day for gays
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Originally posted by Not Me
Many of the subjects I took in law school were properly characterized as intellectual pursuits.
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Oh, lordy, you are hilarious. No wonder people lament slipping educational standards.
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03-12-2004, 06:55 PM
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#3378
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Too Lazy to Google
Join Date: Nov 2003
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Bad day for gays
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Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
I was challening your view of what is trivial and what is serious.
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Yes, I know and you were challenging it on the basis that I had internalized gender stereotypes and considered feminine pursuits more trivial simply because they were engaged in by women. This is false. I think many male pursuits are trivial, too. The basis for which I determine whether something is serious subject matter is gender neutral.
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Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
Reading comprehension is one of those things they teach in those unimportant arts programs.
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You have to read well to be a science major, too. It is just that you also have to have good mathematical and analytical skills, too. Science and math majors have to be able to do everything an arts major does and then some.
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Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
No, my point was that you are assuming that those women study arts subjects to conform to male expectations.
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No I wasn't. I said they don't take physics classes to conform to male expectations. There is a difference, too bad you missed it.
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Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
And I was asserting that your deeming arts subjects more trivial than science conforms to male expectations.
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I deem them that because I think studying storybooks and looking at pretty pictures, although fun, is trivial.
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Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
Hell, it was a long time ago, I don't remember the course names. 2 years physics, about 2 years calculus, through DiffEq. Some statistics.
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How convenient. Calculus, differential equations, statistics and physics aren't engineering classes. Those are prerequisite courses that qualify you to take the engineering classes.
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Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
Actually I just realized that the reason you can't discuss this topic coherently is because you are too poorly educated.
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Now there is an intelligent response. When you cannot refute my points, call me stupid. Doesn't surprise me at all that you couldn't hack physics.
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Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
BR(going home to engage in trivial cultural activities)C
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Does reality TV count as a cultural activity in your book? Just curious.
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03-12-2004, 06:59 PM
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#3379
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Too Lazy to Google
Join Date: Nov 2003
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Bad day for gays
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Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
Oh, lordy, you are hilarious. No wonder people lament slipping educational standards.
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If you earned your law degree at a night school, I am sure that your classes were little more than a bar prep course. Those of us who went to top schools actually engaged in an intellectual pursuit when we studied the law. Maybe not every class we took, but for those looking for an intellectual experience, law school provided one.
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03-12-2004, 06:59 PM
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#3380
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Caustically Optimistic
Join Date: Mar 2003
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Bad day for gays
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Originally posted by Not Me
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Yeah, that's more or less what he said too: engineering degrees, what about his comparative business and business ethics classes, yadda, yadda yadda. My response to you is the same: whatever. Tell yourself it's intellectual if you want, but tacking on a jurisprudence course doesn't make our degrees less technical.
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03-12-2004, 07:04 PM
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#3381
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Too Lazy to Google
Join Date: Nov 2003
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One More Step in the Erosion
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Originally posted by sgtclub
Clear Channel threw him off 6 stations for the broadcast of the word "nigger," which was said by a caller and not Stern and is not one of the banned words.
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My understanding is that he has a 7 second delay and didn't use it to bleep the word and that was the issue.
I suspect that Clear Channel was making a business decision not because of FCC fines, but because of the potential back lash for not taking action for not bleeping a racial slur. I think many people, not just blacks, are offended by racial slurs.
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03-12-2004, 07:06 PM
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In my dreams ...
Join Date: Apr 2003
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Bad day for gays
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Originally posted by baltassoc
Yeah, that's more or less what he said too: engineering degrees, what about his comparative business and business ethics classes, yadda, yadda yadda. My response to you is the same: whatever. Tell yourself it's intellectual if you want, but tacking on a jurisprudence course doesn't make our degrees less technical.
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The distressing thing, as it often is when confronted with MBAs who think they got a real graduate degree, is that they don't know the difference. Self-deception is one thing, ignorance another.
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03-12-2004, 07:10 PM
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#3383
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Too Lazy to Google
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Bad day for gays
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Originally posted by baltassoc
Yeah, that's more or less what he said too: engineering degrees, what about his comparative business and business ethics classes, yadda, yadda yadda. My response to you is the same: whatever. Tell yourself it's intellectual if you want, but tacking on a jurisprudence course doesn't make our degrees less technical.
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I agree that an MBA is not an intellectual pursuit and it is vocational degree. But that is not true of all professional degrees. Just because going to law school qualifies one to sit for the bar and practice law upon passing does not mean that it is not an intellectual pursuit. The curriculum of an MBA program is much more vocational in nature. There may be a bit of ethics or policy taught, but it is an afterthought in an MBA program. You cannot say that about the law school that I went to. Policy considerations, the history of the legal system and particular areas of the law, and ethics were an integrated part of almost every class I took.
But then, I didn't get a law degree at a night school.
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03-12-2004, 07:26 PM
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#3384
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Caustically Optimistic
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: The City That Reads
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Bad day for gays
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Originally posted by Not Me
But then, I didn't get a law degree at a night school.
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Bitch.
I didn't get my degree from a night school, either, but that just makes both of us stupid for wasting our money.
There were classes at my [elite, pompous, yadda, yadda, yadda] law school that were very intellectually oriented. I took most of them that were in subjects I found interesting. Most students, however, did not. And the recognized societal value of my law degree does not come from those courses. Even those who would value me having taken those courses know that they have to consult my transcript to confirm they are there; it can not be presumed from the mere fact I have a law degree. Those people know that they are looking for something that is not represented by the degree itself.
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03-12-2004, 07:26 PM
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#3385
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Moderasaurus Rex
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 33,050
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Bad day for gays
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Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
I've seen almost no debate on this board that I would take as serious as quite a number of debates on the FB regarding the sociological, semiotic and historical significance of individual's choices about self-presentation (be that in clothing, language, manners, behavior or what have you). And, frankly, that is in significant part BECAUSE debates over here tend to aggressive ranting, while on the FB people actually do engage in discussions, attend to others' positions and, therefore necessarily, sometimes change their minds.
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I thought we all understood that this board serves to divert less-interesting discussions that would otherwise encumber the FB, much in the way that Old Navy and The Gap help keep the proles out of Banana Republic (and thank G*d for that). Those of us who invest ourselves here are doing the FB a favor, which it repays us by letting us skip reality TV sometimes.
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03-12-2004, 07:37 PM
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#3386
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Moderasaurus Rex
Join Date: May 2004
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resonating with voters
- President George W. Bush arrived on schedule. He gave his speech. He moderated a panel of five people on a makeshift stage in front of a sign that said "Strengthening America's Economy." He wove their stories seamlessly into the fabric of his re-election campaign. He engaged in self-deprecating humor that even a detractor might find charming.
And then he left -- to a standing ovation -- shaking hands all the way to the exit door of U.S.A. Industries in Bay Shore, where his campaign made this first of three stops on Long Island yesterday.
Security people kept reporters from interviewing the workers at U.S.A. until the president was on the way to his next stop.
But when workers were finally interviewed -- these people who made up the bulk of the president's cheering audience in New York -- Bush's performance turned out to be, if anything, even more impressive.
"No speak English," said the first worker, smiling apologetically.
"No speak English," said the second, third, fourth, fifth and sixth workers way-laid in the crowd.
But you think the tax cuts should be made permanent, as he says?
"Sorry, no English," said another.
linky
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03-12-2004, 07:37 PM
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#3387
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Serenity Now
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Survivor Island
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One More Step in the Erosion
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Originally posted by Not Me
My understanding is that he has a 7 second delay and didn't use it to bleep the word and that was the issue.
I suspect that Clear Channel was making a business decision not because of FCC fines, but because of the potential back lash for not taking action for not bleeping a racial slur. I think many people, not just blacks, are offended by racial slurs.
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Untrue. The word has been used routinely on the show (not by Stern) for years. This was an excuse to get him off the air because of the heighted levels at the FCC after the JJ affair.
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03-12-2004, 07:38 PM
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#3388
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Too Lazy to Google
Join Date: Nov 2003
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Bad day for gays
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Originally posted by baltassoc
Bitch.
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Take your gratuitous name calling back to the FB.
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Originally posted by baltassoc
I didn't get my degree from a night school, either, but that just makes both of us stupid for wasting our money.
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Not true of all law school curriculums.
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Originally posted by baltassoc
Most students, however, did not.
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Not true of my school. We were required to take a few of them and even in the core classes, like torts and con law, we spent a large part of our class time discussing policy, the history/purpose of the legal system, ethics, why and in what ways the law should change to better serve our societal goals, etc. We even discussed that sort of stuff in insurance law or patent law classes. Anti-trust class was one big economics/economic policy course to a large degree. At least it was at my school.
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Originally posted by baltassoc
And the recognized societal value of my law degree does not come from those courses.
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The recognized societal value has nothing to do with whether something is an intellectual pursuit. A PhD in biology nowadays qualifies you to get a job that is little more than a lab tech, which is why our bio PhD programs are populated with people from third world countries. That doesn't mean getting a PhD in bio is not an intellectual pursuit.
Two different things.
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Originally posted by baltassoc
Even those who would value me having taken those courses know that they have to consult my transcript to confirm they are there; it can not be presumed from the mere fact I have a law degree.
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Not true of all law schools. See my comments above.
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03-12-2004, 07:45 PM
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Too Lazy to Google
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One More Step in the Erosion
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Originally posted by sgtclub The word has been used routinely on the show (not by Stern) for years. This was an excuse to get him off the air because of the heighted levels at the FCC after the JJ affair.
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If Stern has regularly been letting callers get away with that kind of stuff without bleeping it (when they have the ability to do so), then Stern is complicit in this. And personally, I think it is a good thing that these fines have put fear into CC.
Stern can do that on the E! show if he likes, so it is not like he cannot let that message get through to the public.
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03-12-2004, 07:50 PM
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#3390
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Too Lazy to Google
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Bad day for gays
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Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop
I thought we all understood that this board serves to divert less-interesting discussions that would otherwise encumber the FB, much in the way that Old Navy and The Gap help keep the proles out of Banana Republic (and thank G*d for that).
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Less interesting to whom and why. That was the point of all this.
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