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Old 09-02-2004, 04:06 PM   #3376
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Speaking of visceral, here is more typical contemptible hyperbole from the Left - actually, it would be contemptible if it wasn't so pathetically laughable:

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  • Feminists Compare Bush's 2000 Election Victory to 'Savage Rape'
    By Marc Morano
    CNSNews.com Senior Staff Writer
    September 02, 2004

    New York (CNSNews.com) - A featured performer at a National Organization for Women rally accused President Bush of having "savagely raped " women "over and over" by allegedly stealing the 2000 presidential election.

    Poet Molly Birnbaum read aloud to a crowd of feminists gathered in New York's Central Park on Wednesday night, as part of a NOW event dubbed "Code Red: Stop the Bush Agenda Rally."

    "Imagine a way to erase that night four years ago when you (President Bush) savagely raped every pandemic woman over and over with each vote you got, a thrust with each state you stole," Birnbaum said from the podium. (If something is pandemic, it affects many people or a number of countries.)[Slave note: thanks for explaining this for the illiterate buffoons who read CBS news

    "A smack with each bill you passed, a tear with each right you took until you left me disenfranchised with hands shackled and voice restrained. Thanks for that night, Mr. President, I can barely remember my tomorrows," Birnbaum said to applause.

    Birnbaum's reading was followed by a performance by Gina Young, described as a singer of "feminist folk punk." Young's song included the following verse about Bush:

    "I got better grades than you, you stupid boy W. Your dad was a killer, too, and you know that nobody voted for you," Young sang as the crowd erupted in applause.

    "I object not just to this war, but to all of the things that you stand for, like dropping bombs to lower the price of gas. I guess the Constitution is just some piece of scrap paper you use to wipe you're a**, you bastard," Young sang to more applause.
I don't get this. NOW is trying to make W seem Clintonian?
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Old 09-02-2004, 04:08 PM   #3377
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Now you ignored my point. Air Force selects Jet co. A because its proposal for a jet with new technology allowing it to do X is better than Jet co. B's proposal for a Jet to do Y. that was competitive. Air Force picked X over Y. Co A owns X. You can't bid it out.
And, on a sort of related point, there are about three companies that are big enough and varied enough such that our military can look to them for vast support services in times of war.

In ten-year stretches, those companies make overall proposals for labor rates, staffing, equipment availability promises, etc. At that time, a supplier is pre-selected.

Then, when something like Iraq arises, we don't have to do 18 months of proposals and bids and lawsuits over results.

Haliburton is probably THE most qualified of these huge firms, and got the selection nod this time (pre-Iraq-invasion.)
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Old 09-02-2004, 04:12 PM   #3378
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I didn't hear Miller's speech
It was awesome. It had quite a bit of mainstream appeal. I about fell off my chair when he used the spitball line. That one was hilarious.
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I daresay his votes were pretty representative of the desires of his constituency. Bilmore and others would say this means he is a moral shape-shifter.
A. Did you read the .pdf memo?

2. Not a question of morality. Intelligence. (Catch the comment in his letter about how Reagan was wasting all of this money fighting the USSR and that Reagan's claim to a "window of opprtunity" to fight the evil Soviets was, "as we have now proven", false? What's the opposite of prescience? )

Next - If his votes were representative of his constituency, then he should simply say so now - that's his defense. I bet he doesn't do that, though. I bet he simply says something like "Bush is once again distorting my record."

IV.) I'm guessing that we now hear that attacking Kerry's voting record cheapens all past political votes and voters, and that we have no moral sanction to do so.

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Thanks for the link. Ugh. Why did we nominate this guy? At least if we'd gone with Edwards we wouldn't be being dragged down by a lousy voting record as well as Kerry's infrequent vote casting. I'd much rather fight the "no experience" battle than having to defend Kerry's record.
Edwards?!?!?!? See, this is why you Dems aren't going to win the presidency in 2008, either. Gephardt would have been a good opponent to put up against GWB.
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A. Did you read the .pdf memo?
Hahahahahahaha. Runner-up POTD.
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Old 09-02-2004, 04:20 PM   #3382
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Edwards?!?!?!? See, this is why you Dems aren't going to win the presidency in 2008, either. Gephardt would have been a good opponent to put up against GWB.
One of the best lines last night:

Cheney: "I now have my own opponent"

Voice from nearby male delegate: "No, you don't."
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Next - If his votes were representative of his constituency, then he should simply say so now - that's his defense.
Agreed. I need to see Kerry embrace the chance to discuss his voting record now that Zell has put it front and center. I accept that Bush is not the President for me. But what has Kerry done (i.e., how has he voted in the past) to show that he should get my vote? 'Cause frankly, at this point I'm ready to stay with the devil I know.
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Agreed. I need to see Kerry embrace the chance to discuss his voting record now that Zell has put it front and center.
Kerry has a profound problem here. He has, as AG said, represented his constituents over the years. They were, of course, one of the most liberal constituencies in the country. If the USA were made up of Bostonians, he'd be a lock in November.

But now, he needs to appeal to a nation of voters who are quite a bit less liberal. So, he's been remaking himself as a moderate. He's NOT a moderate. But, that's why he can't simply say "yeah, I voted that way - that's how I and my people felt. Damn warmongering Reaganites . . ." That's why he's having problems getting past his post-VN activities - they can't be explained as the act of a moderate. They were entirely consistent with his own beliefs, and those of his MA constituents - but they do not sell well to the rest of the country.

(Forgot my last para: This is what Miller meant by, the votes define the man, not the campaigning. Kerry's campaigning as a moderate. His history of votes belies that. He's a hard-core liberal, no matter how desperately he tries to hide that.)

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Kerry has a profound problem here. He has, as AG said, represented his constituents over the years. They were, of course, one of the most liberal constituencies in the country. If the USA were made up of Bostonians, he'd be a lock in November.

But now, he needs to appeal to a nation of voters who are quite a bit less liberal. So, he's been remaking himself as a moderate. He's NOT a moderate. But, that's why he can't simply say "yeah, I voted that way - that's how I and my people felt. Damn warmongering Reaganites . . ." That's why he's having problems getting past his post-VN activities - they can't be explained as the act of a moderate. They were entirely consistent with his own beliefs, and those of his MA constituents - but they do not sell well to the rest of the country.

(Forgot my last para: This is what Miller meant by, the votes define the man, not the campaigning. Kerry's campaigning as a moderate. His history of votes belies that. He's a hard-core liberal, no matter how desperately he tries to hide that.)
And this is why if the Dems want to win the WH, they cannot nomiate NE liberals like Howard Dean and John Kerry. They have to nominate moderates from the South or Mid west. But the base of the Dem party loves NE liberals.
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Old 09-02-2004, 04:43 PM   #3386
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Part of the reason they got and will continue to get Defense contracts is that for many of the services they provide, they are the only large-scale provider or one of only 2 competitors. There simply isn't much of an alternative.
And the main competitor has the pesky disadvantage of being French.
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Why is this still on Zell Miller's website? (spree: Zell Miller's website)
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Old 09-02-2004, 05:02 PM   #3388
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And this is why if the Dems want to win the WH, they cannot nomiate NE liberals like Howard Dean and John Kerry. They have to nominate moderates from the South or Mid west. But the base of the Dem party loves NE liberals.
I hate to say it, but I love Howard Dean for one reason. The guy is honest. If they could find someone as honest and passionate, and who off less as crazy, and maybe just a tad to the right on social issues and spending, I'd probably support him over quite a few (not necessarily most) Republicans.

Bottom line: 2 gold stars to a politician who appears to be honest, i.e., a politician who isn't afraid to tell you bad news while he's running.

To me, Howard Dean is in an entirely different league than John Kerry. He's closer to a Jim Thompson Republican from back in the day.

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Bottom line: 2 gold stars to a politician who appears to be honest, i.e., a politician who isn't afraid to tell you bad news while he's running.
They tried that with Walter Mondale. Remember - I WILL raise your taxes. Didn't work.
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I hate to say it, but I love Howard Dean for one reason. The guy is honest.
When police first entered Jeffrey Dahmer's house, they asked him where the missing young man was. Dahmer led them directly to the refrigerator.
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