Fashion Board 11-2-03 - 12-09-03

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by bilmore
Given her last post, though, you might not want to schedule that month during December.

And I thought you knew me better than this.

TM

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by evenodds
Actually, that is precisely the point. Discovering something "new" at the same moment as everyone else makes you a sheep, lulled into something by powerful marketing forces.

Discovering it for yourself is enjoying the experience on its own merits, without the thousandth mention on Clear Channel or MTV to tell you that it's great. Media manipulate you into thinking something is good because it is familiar and comfortable -- repetition is key.

Being bowled over by something new you hear for the first time at a small, smoky club is a powerful experience, like the first time you take a drug. Subsequent dosing may never recapture that high, but you keep chasing it.

It's not about the cool factor, it's about the purity of the experience.

I understand the high of being bowled over by a new band and I'm the first guy to go out and tell people "You've gotta fucking hear ______ - they're really great." However, in the end, the only thing that matters is that you dig whatever it is you've discovered. I notice that the people who gush the most about how they discovered _____ before it was famous are those who don't really care much about the art/music, etc. they're discussing and are really only interested in looking cool.

I learned about the Stones long after they'd sold out and become bloated media whores. Does that make my digging Can't You Hear Me Knocking somehow impure? The White Stripes are horribly overhyped and so are the Strokes, but their music is still great. Art is solely for sensual pleasure. You like some things, and dislike others. How you learn about it has nothing to do with the experience. The "purity of the experience" is a concern for those who worry about what everyone else thinks of them.

Of course, this conversation does not take into account those really stupid people who like or dislike certain bands because the band is trendy (See: Dave Matthews). I don't think anyone really likes Dave Matthews -- they just think that cool young upwardly mobile people like Dave Matthews, so they too had better like Dave Matthews. Whenever I have friends over, someone inevitably demands that I put on some Dave Matthews, and I usually oblige. I also put some Deep Purple, Dr. Dre and ancient Stones discs in the shuffler to register my scorn.

[LessinSF]

Originally posted by notcasesensitive
[Simple Life is OK take.]

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Mostly, it sucked, with a couple high points, mainly the threesome comment and the fact that they blurred out Paris's butt crack from all her low slung pants, partly because all their best bon mots had been pre-reported in the news ("what is a well," "what is a Wal-Mart," "what does generic mean").

I assume the Hiltons and Richies are cringing to see their girls' outright clueless stupidity cum unrestrained sexuality being played out on screen. Although I am confused how Nicole Richie can be a chubby junkie, but she may have just looked heavy compared to Paris, who is really a twig, although pretty in a skull-fuck me sort of way.

Stupidly, I will probably keep watching because it is the proverbial train wreck. They apparently had to cut their stay on the farm short because the girls were making too much of a swath through the town boys.

Another thing that one won't see on the show is that the only reason the farm family put up with this crap was they needed the money to save the family farm, so I have decided to treat the value of the time I spend watching as a tax-deductible contribution to Farm Aid. I feel better about myself already.

[LessinSF]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I notice that the people who gush the most about how they discovered _____ before it was famous are those who don't really care much about the art/music, etc. they're discussing and are really only interested in looking cool.

How much did you pay for the t-shirt that proves that you heard of them first?

Less (I never did praise Atticus' most excellent parody) inSF

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by taxwonk
Why are you posting the contents of your closet? Isn't that sort of a self-outing offense?

I suppose next we're all going to be treated to a selection of banana sacks from your underwear drawer. Or bustiers from that "secret" box on the shelf in the back of the closet .

I wonder what that rainbow means.

(There was one with a window right down the middle I thought you could all live without...Who am I kidding? You all want to see it: http://www.gparryinc.com/new_collect...lrg/PKT626.jpg)

TM

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
I actually saw The Samples play SOBER in '94, and they still sucked.

The Samples are another one of those shit bands fancied by annoying prep school kids who wish they'd grown up in Denver.*
Nobody actually listens to them - they just go to concerts to see the new year's Patagonia line. These are the same people who wear North Face arctic jackets but can't ski worth a lick. Oh, and they love mountain biking.

* Yes, I realize that because I enjoy Widespread, I am a hypocrite. I'm flawed.

[evenodds]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
The "purity of the experience" is a concern for those who worry about what everyone else thinks of them.

You know me so well.

One question though: you actually own a DMB album? Seriously?

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by evenodds
You know me so well.

One question though: you actually own a DMB album? Seriously?

I own Crash and the next one (can't recall title).

I like the tune "Two Step." Its catchy and I recall hearing it the morning after I first spent the night at my future wife's place, so its got some sentimental value. God, I'm going to get crushed for writing that...

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by LessinSF
How much did you pay for the t-shirt that proves that you heard of them first?

Less (I never did praise Atticus' most excellent parody) inSF

Since we're on music, and discussing trendy shit, go out and buy the new Johnny Cash box set if you've got a spare $80.00 in your pocket. The Joe Strummer/Johnny Cash version of Redemption Song is worth the price alone. Before you say "Oh, fuck... no one should cover that song," sample a bit of the song on line. Trust me. Its very fucking moving. You got two cats who'd be dead soon thereafter singing their asses off as best they can with no studio effects (just Strummer playing guitar) on one of the best songs ever written. You may call Redemption Song corny, but no matter how many times I hear it, I can't help but think "Fuck - this might be better than anything Dylan, McCartney or Lennon ever wrote." Oh, and the rest of the Cash box set is also great; killer version of Neil Young's Heart of Gold, a very strange cover of Pocahontas and some other really pognant shit and great country/rock standards.

Rick Rubin is a fucking genius. Does he put out anything bad? Hell, from the Jayhawks through Slayer through the Beasties through the Cult's "Electric" (a fantastic example of stripped down rock), the guy does no fucking wrong.

[bold_n_brazen]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I own Crash and the next one (can't recall title).

I like the tune "Two Step." Its catchy and I recall hearing it the morning after I first spent the night at my future wife's place, so its got some sentimental value. God, I'm going to get crushed for writing that...

You won't get crushed by me. That's actually a sentimental song for me too.

I recall being at a wedding shortly after law school where the couple's first dance was to "Crash". That made me want to vomit. Especially when the bride "hiked up her skirt a little more" and "showed the world to me".

Actually, I don't affirmatively hate DMB, but I don't actually like them either. I feel sort of nondescript towards them.

There are other bands I actually feel betrayed by...like REM. THey were so cool when I was in high school and college. I still love all those old albums. But since 1990, man, they fucking suck.

You know who I wish would get back together and make a new album?...the Talking Heads.

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
they just go to concerts to see the new year's Patagonia line. These are the same people who wear North Face arctic jackets but can't ski worth a lick.

Don't fucking get me started. I was at Erehewon or EMS or some other "outfitter" and the store was jammed packed with yuppie families and their little fucking monster yuppiettes. Little Cody needs a Mountain Hardware coat for his ride from home to preschool. The heated seats in the enormous Lexus SUV won't be enough. So what if he'll outgrow this $300 coat in 6 months. They're running and screaming and I wanted to fucking kick them. I'm trying to buy a headlamp and and some glove liners b/c I'm ACTUALLY GOING HIKING IN THE BACKCOUNTRY that weekend. Mommy is outfitting her little human hand grenades for a trip to the ice rink. Kill me.

Patagonia is way overpriced given it's quality. Although their polypro/neopro/whatever material their long underwear is is actually pretty swell.

This city needs an REI.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
And I thought you knew me better than this.

TM

That was careless. I should have said, most people would do well to avoid her in December.

[evenodds]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I own Crash and the next one (can't recall title).

I like the tune "Two Step." Its catchy and I recall hearing it the morning after I first spent the night at my future wife's place, so its got some sentimental value. God, I'm going to get crushed for writing that...

See, that makes sense.

The OM and I spent last weekend sorting our cd collection and found only two repeats: Jamiroquai's Return of the Space Cowboy (a truly sucky album) and Joshua Redman's Moodswings.

My cd collection has made a couple of radical shifts and I found cds I had no idea I owned from Fu Shnickens to Sting. I also own no REM but every album by the Pixies and Frank Black.

I am exiling ten discs, almost all gifts still in their original wrappers, to Cheapo:

Travis Tritt, 10 Feet High and Bulletproof
The Adventures of Stevie V
Toni Price, Hey
Valerie Carter
Jamiroquai
Jai Uttal
Nelly Furtado
Jodeci, Diary of a Mad Band
Ruff Ryders, Ryde or Die Vol 1

[notcasesensitive]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I own Crash and the next one (can't recall title).

I like the tune "Two Step." Its catchy and I recall hearing it the morning after I first spent the night at my future wife's place, so its got some sentimental value. God, I'm going to get crushed for writing that...

Does your current wife know about your future wife?

And I know it is not PC to say so here, but DMB is not bad. Some of his musicians are really talented and his songs range from really cool (Stay Tonight [this may not be the actual title]) to crap (Eat Too Much), just like a ton of other overhyped bands. So what? If it makes me FB uncool to admit liking some of his stuff, well fuck off.

Of course, not as much as Travis. But I do not blame the man for being non-British.

Originally posted by bilmore
That was careless. I should have said, most people would do well to avoid her in December.

Don't fu@king get me started. It's cold. I'm sick. It's that freaking holiday everyone sucks time of year again and my seat warmer in my car is malfunctioning.

TM, I knew you loved me... you still want one meelyun of my babies?