Politics: Onward from New Hampshire

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by pretermitted_child
In what language? Have you noticed the proportion of non-English speakers in the science/engineering disciplines? As an electrical engineering major, I've had my share of semi-literate and incoherent TAs and professors who did nothing but mumble/grunt in a limited vocabulary, scribble a few equations on the board, and gesticulate wildly.



Not really.

Shhhh. Don't burst their bubble! (It helps them feel better about the polyester pants and pocket protectors.)

S_A_M

[Not Me]

Originally posted by sgtclub
For the record, Ty never tried to ban me.

It really is impossible to ban people from an internet BB. Well, at least people with even a modicum of brain tissue. Even if you have a static IP addressing, it is easy enough to use a proxy.

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by Not Me
Do you know the specifics of the conversation that caused the fine? It just said it was a graphic discussion of Ron Jeremy. Just curious to know the specifics to know whether the FCC's actions were warranted or not.

Apparently, Eliot was interviewing a female caller who said she was a big fan of Mr. Jeremy. The interview addressed such issues as the caller's habit of masturbating while watching Mr. Jeremy's videos, and included (inter alia) the use of a rather indelicate euphemism for the caller's sexual organs.

That meets the indecency standard, I believe.

Now, Clear Channel has not suspended Eliot yet b/c the incident happened before CC implemented their new policies. However, I expect that the size of the fine CC receives may influence their final decision. [Bubba the Love Sponge apparently wasn't worth the $750K he cost them.]

S_A_M

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Skeks in the city
It's hard to imagine a "not me" that doesn't wear wifebeaters.

I don't know if a tank top with a shelf bra counts as a wife beater or not, but I do know that I look hot as hell in them. I wore one the other day to the grocery store and it took me twice as long to get my shopping done. Every single guy in the place decided that they needed me to help them pick out what to buy.

It never ceases to amaze me how breast obsessed some of you are.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
We didn't learn to write essay answers. At law school i probably had a 3 or 4 point difference between classes where the exam was essay and ones with multiple choice.

I was a science major but I also took non-science courses and learned to write. I got an A in every non-science course I took.

I do kick ass on multiple choice tests, though, and I know what you are saying about the point spread. In general, I did get higher grades on multiple choice tests, but I still got A's in my non-science classes. They were easy.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by pretermitted_child
In what language? Have you noticed the proportion of non-English speakers in the science/engineering disciplines? As an electrical engineering major, I've had to learn to understand semi-literate and incoherent TAs and professors who did nothing but mumble/grunt in a limited vocabulary, scribble a few equations on the board, and gesticulate wildly.

Club and I would like to hire you to translate GGG, sammy and the occasional Ty post. interested?

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop
N.B. -- "Sorry, no English" is a simpler way to say what you mean.

I prefer "Me no speaka no English."

[Not Me]

Originally posted by sgtclub
But what social settings serve the basis. I certainly have a different filter when, for instance, I'm having dinner with a partner and em's spouse then when I'm with the boys. Which line is the line for broadcast?

partner/spouse line will keep the FCC away.

Originally posted by sgtclub
That's what the Catholic's were saying as they waved good bye to the Jews.

I don't think time/place/manner regulations on speech compare to the holocaust.

Originally posted by sgtclub
Italians and Irish faced similar degrees of discrimination, and just slightly less than the Jews.

I don't think the Italians/Irish were discriminated against in the way the jews were.

Originally posted by sgtclub
The only part geography played, and still plays, in respect of discrimination is the way in which it is displayed. Northeasterners tend to be bigots only behind closed doors. Southerners are more upfront and honest about it.

I agree with that one. Some of the biggest racists live in the Northeast.

The other difference, though, is that institutionalized racism was far more tolerated in the south. But that is more or less just another form of being upfront and honest about your racism/discrimination.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by pretermitted_child
In what language? Have you noticed the proportion of non-English speakers in the science/engineering disciplines? As an electrical engineering major, I've had my share of semi-literate and incoherent TAs and professors who did nothing but mumble/grunt in a limited vocabulary, scribble a few equations on the board, and gesticulate wildly.

I agree that some pakistani EE major isn't likely to get an A in his English lit class. But I was cybertalking about those of us who speak English as our first language.

Anyhow, the reason so may foriegners are engineering and science majors is because Americans are lazy.

Originally posted by pretermitted_child
Not really.

Cite please. I don't know where you went to school, but where I went to school science majors could not graduate unless they took several non-science classes. I am sure there were science majors who couldn't write, but they generally were at the bottom of the curve in their science classes, too.

Those of us at the top of our science classes almost without exception also were at the top of our non-science classes.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by pretermitted_child
We've had some humanities majors who took, for example, digital systems lab classes just for the heck of it.

And what grades did they get?

I don't see how they could take those courses without taking the prerequisites.

Originally posted by pretermitted_child
Maybe she thought it was boring. Heck, *I* found physics boring.

Anyone who thinks physics is boring is not a very intellectually curious person.

Originally posted by pretermitted_child
From what I can discern from reading her posts for several years, she seems bright enough to "hack" it, but probably chose not to.

The quality of one's posts on an internet BB don't correlate well with one's ability to grasp mathematical and scientific concepts.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
Apparently, Eliot was interviewing a female caller who said she was a big fan of Mr. Jeremy. The interview addressed such issues as the caller's habit of masturbating while watching Mr. Jeremy's videos, and included (inter alia) the use of a rather indelicate euphemism for the caller's sexual organs.

That meets the indecency standard, I believe.

I just cannot get all worked up about the FCC regulating that type of worthless speech on the public airwaves.

Having a license to broadcast your programming via a particular part of the EM spectrum isn't a right. It is a privilege. Just like a driver's license.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop
At the school I went to, the introductory science classes were murderous because the science faculty did not want to have people who weren't going to major in the subjects taking upper level courses. And there were the pre-meds, a cutthroat bunch. The humanities faculty were happy to have people from other majors in their upper level courses, and saw no need to weed people out. Grades are an artifact of the system that produces them, not a measure of intrinsic merit.

Ty - if the grading system requires the prof to limit the number of A's and if an objective standard is used to determine who gets an A and who doesn't (as is the case in science and math classes), that is just not so.

If a prof can give out an unlimited amount of A's and the grades are based on subjective standards (i.e., you get an A if the prof liked your paper), then I agree, grades are an artifact of the system. Typically, you get an A if the prof likes you. That is how humanties classes are graded.

But if there is a curve and an objective standard, then only 10% (or whatever the curve is) of the class can get an A and those who get the A's are those who get the highest number of correct answers when taking a test.

See you liberal arts majors may not realize this but in science and math classes there is a right answer and a wrong answer, and the correctness of the answer isn't determined by a prof's fancy. The grade you get in a science or math class isn't an artifact of the system. It is determined by whether you knew the right answer or not. See this is different from say an English lit class, where you literally just make shit up and if the prof likes the shit you made up, you get an A.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Not Me
Some of the biggest racists live in the Northeast.

They have to eat more to stay warm all winter.

BPOTD!

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Not Me
partner/spouse line will keep the FCC away.

Yes, but the question is whether something short of that restrictive standard be actionable?

Originally posted by Not Me I don't think time/place/manner regulations on speech compare to the holocaust.

I was referring to the slippery slope.

Originally posted by Not Me I don't think the Italians/Irish were discriminated against in the way the jews were.

You are ill-informed.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Not Me
Ty - if the grading system requires the prof to limit the number of A's and if an objective standard is used to determine who gets an A and who doesn't (as is the case in science and math classes), that is just not so.

If a prof can give out an unlimited amount of A's and the grades are based on subjective standards (i.e., you get an A if the prof liked your paper), then I agree, grades are an artifact of the system. Typically, you get an A if the prof likes you. That is how humanties classes are graded.

But if there is a curve and an objective standard, then only 10% (or whatever the curve is) of the class can get an A and those who get the A's are those who get the highest number of correct answers when taking a test.

See you liberal arts majors may not realize this but in science and math classes there is a right answer and a wrong answer, and the correctness of the answer isn't determined by a prof's fancy. The grade you get in a science or math class isn't an artifact of the system. It is determined by whether you knew the right answer or not. See this is different from say an English lit class, where you literally just make shit up and if the prof likes the shit you made up, you get an A.

I am tempted to explain why you are wrong, but this has to be one of the silliest debates ever on this board. So I will just say that it's not easy to make up really good shit, even if Hank's posts make it look effortless. People don't see the long hours he puts in, refining his material until even the spelling mistakes are just so.