Making Baby Jesus Cry

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by nononono
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"But they are coming here to save Louisiana citizens. The only thing we are attacking is the effects of this hurricane," he said. Blum said that a huge airlift of supplies was landing Friday.

Its sad how the liberals lie to defame our President. Why do they hate America?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Its sad how the liberals lie to defame our President. Why do they hate America?

Its old news now, but did you know that Hillary Clinton was an integral part of an effort to smear and falsely convict President Nixon?

[Spanky]

1) New Orleans is one of the coolest cities in America. It needs to be drained, brought back to life, and properly protected. If the Dutch can do it, why can't we?

2) We live in a Meritocracy. If you are in charge you are responsible. That is the way the system works. Some slack can be given if you are new on the job, but after you have time to settle in, if you are on top, what happens below is your responsibility. Bush has been in charge for five years, so what the Federal government does (or doesn't do) is his responsiblity. Of course this liberal whinning about the wetlands policy and global warming is just another way for the liberals to try and score some cheap political points for their pet projects. On the other hand, if it was the federal governments job to keep the levees up and keep New Orleans not flooded then everyone in the chain of command is culpable. Including the man at the top: GWB.

3) If someone already said this I am sorry, but it is my understanding that at the end of the mississippi, the river's outlet moves around from year to year depositing silt over the whole delta. The soft sand is constantly sinking so the dirt from the river is needed to keep the whole area above sea level. Once the outlet of the Mississippi was fixed, the river stopped moving around and depositing the much needed silt. Consequently the whole delta area has been sinking for years. Their are entire parishes that are now under water. Hurricanes are common in this area. In other words, there is no excuse for not seeing this coming. It was just a matter of time before a big storm hit. There is no excuse that NO is under water. This should and could have been prevented and heads should roll.

[Southern Patriot]

Originally posted by Spanky
If you are in charge you are responsible.

Exactly. And we know that the liberal media is in charge, so they should all hang. Powell and Gingrich and the other liberals too.

And Bush and Penske will make it happen.

[notcasesensitive]

Originally posted by Spanky
1) New Orleans is one of the coolest cities in America. It needs to be drained, brought back to life, and properly protected. If the Dutch can do it, why can't we?

2) We live in a Meritocracy. If you are in charge you are responsible. That is the way the system works. Some slack can be given if you are new on the job, but after you have time to settle in, if you are on top, what happens below is your responsibility. Bush has been in charge for five years, so what the Federal government does (or doesn't do) is his responsiblity. Of course this liberal whinning about the wetlands policy and global warming is just another way for the liberals to try and score some cheap political points for their pet projects. On the other hand, if it was the federal governments job to keep the levees up and keep New Orleans not flooded then everyone in the chain of command is culpable. Including the man at the top: GWB.

3) If someone already said this I am sorry, but it is my understanding that at the end of the mississippi, the river's outlet moves around from year to year depositing silt over the whole delta. The soft sand is constantly sinking so the dirt from the river is needed to keep the whole area above sea level. Once the outlet of the Mississippi was fixed, the river stopped moving around and depositing the much needed silt. Consequently the whole delta area has been sinking for years. Their are entire parishes that are now under water. Hurricanes are common in this area. In other words, there is no excuse for not seeing this coming. It was just a matter of time before a big storm hit. There is no excuse that NO is under water. This should and could have been prevented and heads should roll.

On the foreseeablility front, I found this article interesting - http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/09/...ill/index.html - despite my general disdain for the way cnn.com has handled the story.

I think everyone agrees that a storm of this magnitude hitting the Gulf Coast was foreseeable. It isn't saying a lot for FEMA that they drilled this possibility last year and their response has been this slow and disorganized. I'm not handing out blame here, but I'm firmly in the "horrified at the amount of time it has taken to respond" camp. There should not be a natural disaster that could happen in this country that results in people dying of dehydration in the streets several days later. It is appalling.

[Southern Patriot]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Its old news now, but did you know that Hillary Clinton was an integral part of an effort to smear and falsely convict President Nixon?

Hank, it's good to see you standing up for such a fine American.

I'm just glad we've sent Hilary back north.

[Southern Patriot]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Its sad how the liberals lie to defame our President. Why do they hate America?

Jefferson Davis and I used to ask this question all the time.

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by notcasesensitive
On the foreseeablility front, I found this article interesting - http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/09/...ill/index.html - despite my general disdain for the way cnn.com has handled the story.

I think everyone agrees that a storm of this magnitude hitting the Gulf Coast was foreseeable. It isn't saying a lot for FEMA that they drilled this possibility last year and their response has been this slow and disorganized. I'm not handing out blame here, but I'm firmly in the "horrified at the amount of time it has taken to respond" camp. There should not be a natural disaster that could happen in this country that results in people dying of dehydration in the streets several days later. It is appalling.

2.

I can't imagine how this response, with whatever degree of coordination one wishes wish to ascribe to it, creates a sense of comfort about our government's sense of preparedness for calamaties. I thought we spent the last 4 years preparing for this kind of stuff.

Bush, perhaps inadvertently, made a connection during his comments today in Mobile.

• And I'm not looking forward to this trip. I got a feel for it when I flew over before. It -- for those who have not -- trying to conceive what we're talking about, it's as if the entire Gulf Coast were obliterated by a -- the worst kind of weapon you can imagine. And now we're going to go try to comfort people in that part of the world.

Well, yeah.

I'm not really interested in advancing some argument that Bush's legislative agenda somehow exacerbated the problem by making New Orleans more vulnerable. I am depressed, however, at what appears to be a clusterf**k response, how poorly this augurs for the federal government's competence in dealing with disasters, and I don't think it makes me a shrill partisan Democrat just by saying so.

Gattigap

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by notcasesensitive
On the foreseeablility front, I found this article interesting - http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/09/...ill/index.html - despite my general disdain for the way cnn.com has handled the story.

I think everyone agrees that a storm of this magnitude hitting the Gulf Coast was foreseeable. It isn't saying a lot for FEMA that they drilled this possibility last year and their response has been this slow and disorganized. I'm not handing out blame here, but I'm firmly in the "horrified at the amount of time it has taken to respond" camp. There should not be a natural disaster that could happen in this country that results in people dying of dehydration in the streets several days later. It is appalling.

So, you're saying the plan is sucky? Maybe if Clinton (hi Ty!) had started planning it, it would have been better refined by now.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Gattigap
2.

I can't imagine how this response, with whatever degree of coordination one wishes wish to ascribe to it, creates a sense of comfort about our government's sense of preparedness for calamaties. I thought we spent the last 4 years preparing for this kind of stuff.

Bush, perhaps inadvertently, made a connection during his comments today in Mobile.

• And I'm not looking forward to this trip. I got a feel for it when I flew over before. It -- for those who have not -- trying to conceive what we're talking about, it's as if the entire Gulf Coast were obliterated by a -- the worst kind of weapon you can imagine. And now we're going to go try to comfort people in that part of the world.

Well, yeah.

I'm not really interested in advancing some argument that Bush's legislative agenda somehow exacerbated the problem by making New Orleans more vulnerable. I am depressed, however, at what appears to be a clusterf**k response, how poorly this augurs for the federal government's competence in dealing with disasters, and I don't think it makes me a shrill partisan Democrat just by saying so.

Gattigap

Water is now a WMD. They're searching for it in Iraq.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Gattigap
. I am depressed, however, at what appears to be a clusterf**k response, how poorly this augurs for the federal government's competence in dealing with disasters, and I don't think it makes me a shrill partisan Democrat just by saying so.

Gattigap

Here's the problem--this kind of stuff is not the work of top-level policy makers. It's career civil servants who figure out logistics, like "how do we get 5m bottles of water into a place within 24 hours". Now, sure, there's responsibility to make sure that planning is taking place at the top levels of FEMA and other places. But it's not like these plans need constant updating, yet we learn that this disaster planning wasn't done until last year in god knows how long--it doesn't sound like the previous admin. left a plan in to figure it out. So, yeah, no need to get partisan.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Spanky
1) New Orleans is one of the coolest cities in America. It needs to be drained, brought back to life, and properly protected. If the Dutch can do it, why can't we?

A Dutch official was quoted today as being shocked that we left NO that poorly prepared. They have some massive wall system after extensive flooding in THE 30s.

[nononono]

Originally posted by Southern Patriot
Jefferson Davis and I used to ask this question all the time.

RIP Beauvoir:

http://www.beauvoir.org/slide.html
http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pb...S0110/50830019

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Southern Patriot
Hank, it's good to see you standing up for such a fine American.

I'm just glad we've sent Hilary back north.

She should have gone back to Chicago. With the other criminal politicians.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Spanky
3) If someone already said this I am sorry, but it is my understanding that at the end of the mississippi, the river's outlet moves around from year to year depositing silt over the whole delta. The soft sand is constantly sinking so the dirt from the river is needed to keep the whole area above sea level. Once the outlet of the Mississippi was fixed, the river stopped moving around and depositing the much needed silt. Consequently the whole delta area has been sinking for years. Their are entire parishes that are now under water. Hurricanes are common in this area. In other words, there is no excuse for not seeing this coming. It was just a matter of time before a big storm hit. There is no excuse that NO is under water. This should and could have been prevented and heads should roll.

This is correct, and as I've opined elsewhere the fundamental problem is we've tried to sustain a city in a river delta. It just doesn't work, at least not long term.