Patting the wrists, rolling the eyes. - Page 23

Hank Chinaski · 03-15-2005, 05:20 PM

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Originally posted by ltl/fb
You are making this up in hopes we will get our defenses down, correct? Nice try. Your people will bring up her communistic plans for universal health care and her amorality in cooperating with/abetting in her husband's activities with Monica etc. What about her would possibly appeal to red states? (or, states on the redder side of purple, since pretty much all the states are really shades of purple and not solidly blue or red, which people tend to forget).

Fair point. The parts of Bill that turn purplish don't really like Hil.

bilmore · 03-15-2005, 05:23 PM

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Originally posted by ltl/fb
What about her would possibly appeal to red states?

This last election was decided by an awful lot of people who could have gone the other way fairly easily, but just couldn't hand a war to a Dem. I don't see that as (that big of) an issue next time. I think four more years of carping about "those rich bastards" will tell - I don't have a lot of respect for the mental capacity of a lot of voters who are stuck in the middle - I think sheep probably do better in a Darwinian sense - and I can see them going for Hil, 'cuz she'll be "nicer."

Tyrone Slothrop · 03-15-2005, 05:23 PM

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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Do you really think she would lose in the primaries? As soon as she announces, there will be no money left for anyone else. If she has half a brain, and I concede she probably does, she'll have the nomination locked up by Super Tuesday.

She's smart, and she has money, but I don't think she's a particularly capable politician. You can't just buy votes in Iowa and New Hampshire. She'll have rivals, and I'm hoping one of them (Bayh? Richardson? Dean?) can put it together.

bilmore · 03-15-2005, 05:25 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
. . . I'm hoping one of them (Bayh? Richardson? Dean?) can put it together.

Okay, now you're just teasing me.

SlaveNoMore · 03-15-2005, 05:26 PM

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Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Do you really think she would lose in the primaries? As soon as she announces, there will be no money left for anyone else. If she has half a brain, and I concede she probably does, she'll have the nomination locked up by Super Tuesday.

Dean now holds the purse - and least I checked, he's not exactly a Clinton [either] fan.

ltl/fb · 03-15-2005, 05:27 PM

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Originally posted by bilmore
This last election was decided by an awful lot of people who could have gone the other way fairly easily, but just couldn't hand a war to a Dem. I don't see that as (that big of) an issue next time. I think four more years of carping about "those rich bastards" will tell - I don't have a lot of respect for the mental capacity of a lot of voters who are stuck in the middle - I think sheep probably do better in a Darwinian sense - and I can see them going for Hil, 'cuz she'll be "nicer."

I think people generally think she's an unfeminine battleaxe -- not at all nice. Whoever gets the D nomination will get some votes from people who are kinda unhappy that the deficit is ginormous and growing and they aren't doing any better financially than they were before -- but that has nothing to do with Hilary.

So are you just saying you think she'll win the primary, and that whoever the Rs put up in 2008 is destined to lose?

ltl/fb · 03-15-2005, 05:29 PM

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Originally posted by bilmore
Okay, now you're just teasing me.

I long for Bradley. Or McCain, even.

I think it's been a more successful strategy to run a governor and unfortunately I'm not familiar with who more than a few governors are.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) · 03-15-2005, 05:31 PM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Dean now holds the purse - and least I checked, he's not exactly a Clinton [either] fan.

You don't think Hillary can out-raise Dean? Pretty sure she could do that while holding down a semi-full-time job. A couple flights to LA might suffice.

Tyrone Slothrop · 03-15-2005, 05:34 PM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Dean now holds the purse - and least I checked, he's not exactly a Clinton [either] fan.

I don't see what his position on gay marriage has to do with it.

bilmore · 03-15-2005, 05:34 PM

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Originally posted by ltl/fb
I think people generally think she's an unfeminine battleaxe -- not at all nice. Whoever gets the D nomination will get some votes from people who are kinda unhappy that the deficit is ginormous and growing and they aren't doing any better financially than they were before -- but that has nothing to do with Hilary.

So are you just saying you think she'll win the primary, and that whoever the Rs put up in 2008 is destined to lose?

I think people who pay lots of attention - hc left and right - are the only ones who think of her at all. I think a ton of people wander through life making important decisions based on the best last commercial they saw, and she'll make some nice commercials. She's gonna get Dean kicked out of his new comfy chair in 15 months, and then it's Katey bar the door.

She's moved fairly conservative lately - she luvs the troops (ETA - and Bush's handling of Iraq), she wants to deal with anti-abortioners, she's praising parts of conservative spending and not-taxing, and she's no longer a (blatant) commie wingnut. And, like some people talked about during this election, I think people will be ready for a sort of unserious period. After eight years of intense foreign and domestic strife, people will be lookin to relax. I think Hil can offer that to them.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) · 03-15-2005, 05:37 PM

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Originally posted by bilmore
and she's no longer a (blatant) commie wingnut.

well, she doesn't publicly speak like one.

bilmore · 03-15-2005, 05:38 PM

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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
well, she doesn't publicly speak like one.

Yeah, I should have used "public".

Hank Chinaski · 03-15-2005, 05:40 PM

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Originally posted by bilmore
After eight years of intense foreign and domestic strife, people will be lookin to relax. I think Hil can offer that to them.

So you look to people voting to return to those pastoral times of synergy between Bill Clinton and the Rep congress?

bilmore · 03-15-2005, 05:41 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
So you look to people voting to return to those pastoral times of synergy between Bill Clinton and the Rep congress?

Well, fer gawd's sakes, we're not gonna let her have interns!

(But, seriously, fault and causation aside, compared to the post-9/11 world, those were pastoral times.)

Not Bob · 03-15-2005, 05:47 PM

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Originally posted by bilmore
And yet, you direct me to this as your source of info on the Swifties?

(ETA - forgot the cite - http://slate.msn.com/id/95513/ )

Guess you didn't go to the factcheck.org link (here it is again: http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=231) I posted. Or you would have seen this:

Two who appear in the ad say Kerry didn't deserve his first purple heart. Louis Letson, a medical officer and Lieutenant Commander, says in the ad that he knows Kerry is lying about his first purple heart because “I treated him for that.” However, medical records provided by the Kerry campaign to FactCheck.org do not list Letson as the “person administering treatment” for Kerry’s injury on December 3, 1968 . The person who signed this sick call report is J.C. Carreon, who is listed as treating Kerry for shrapnel to the left arm.

In his affidavit, Letson says Kerry's wound was self-inflicted and does not merit a purple heart. But that's based on hearsay, and disputed hearsay at that. Letson says “the crewman with Kerry told me there was no hostile fire, and that Kerry had inadvertently wounded himself with an M-79 grenade.” But the Kerry campaign says the two crewmen with Kerry that day deny ever talking to Letson.

On Aug. 17 the Los Angeles Times quoted Letson as giving a slightly different account than the one in his affidavit. The Times quotes him as saying he heard only third-hand that there had been no enemy fire. According to the Times, Letson said that what he heard about Kerry's wounding came not from other crewmen directly, but through some of his own subordinates. Letson was quoted as saying the information came from crewmen who were "just talking to my guys … There was not a firefight -- that's what the guys related. They didn't remember any firing from shore."

Letson also insisted to the Times that he was the one who treated Kerry, removing a tiny shard of shrapnel from Kerry's arm using a pair of tweezers. Letson said Carreon, whose signature appears on Kerry's medical record, was an enlisted man who routinely made record entries on his behalf. Carreon signed as "HM1," indicating he held the enlisted rank of Hospital Corpsman First Class.