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04-26-2005, 03:33 PM
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#3451
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Originally posted by sgtclub
I'm not sure how anyone can really criticize the thesis by reading a 1 page summary of an entire book. Perhaps its hogwash (Hi Gatti!), but its hard to tell without reading the entire thing.
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Well, the summary is written by him.
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04-26-2005, 03:34 PM
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#3452
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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Do you feel this way about Das Kapital and Mein Kampf?
I respect Sowell, but can't figure out from this exchange what his thesis is.
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Ty, you know as well as Larry Summers that there's only one explanation for all differences across races in this country. It's clear from Sowell's exec. summary that he has the wrong reason.
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04-26-2005, 03:48 PM
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#3453
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I am beyond a rank!
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Originally posted by sgtclub
I'm not sure how anyone can really criticize the thesis by reading a 1 page summary of an entire book. Perhaps its hogwash (Hi Gatti!), but its hard to tell without reading the entire thing.
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I'll be sure to get around to it.
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04-26-2005, 04:00 PM
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#3454
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Wild Rumpus Facilitator
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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Read the op-ed. He makes teh point (I think mostly, but not entirely, valid) that many black northerners emigrated from the south in the 19th century to escape slavery, and brought with them the culture of Gatti.
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So they caught something from his cousin. too?
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04-26-2005, 04:00 PM
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#3455
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Too Good For Post Numbers
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Originally posted by Sidd Finch
I'll be sure to get around to it.
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That'd be dumb. You already know it's wrong.
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04-26-2005, 04:13 PM
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#3456
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I am beyond a rank!
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Originally posted by bilmore
That'd be dumb. You already know it's wrong.
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Apparently, it's permissible to say that a book is spot-on based on a summary, but not to say the opposite based on a summary, even if the summary is written by the author.
I have little patience for social science studies of this sort, that attempt to attribute broad and complicated social phenomena to individual causes. I would be similarly unlikely to read a book that explained why racism was the cause of the difference between white and black economic status in the US.
Unlike you, I do not have the ability to read every book published in the United States, and thus periodically have to make these judgment calls. If I can see what the author himself says about his thesis, that seems to me to be a good basis for such a judgment call. Sorry, but I can only aspire to your level of knowledge and your reading speed.
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04-26-2005, 04:15 PM
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#3457
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Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Apparently, it's permissible to say that a book is spot-on based on a summary, but not to say the opposite based on a summary,
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Yep. see in re Ty's defense of the Conter terroirsm guy's book, and following posts.
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04-26-2005, 04:27 PM
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#3458
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Too Good For Post Numbers
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Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Apparently, it's permissible to say that a book is spot-on based on a summary, but not to say the opposite based on a summary, even if the summary is written by the author.
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Wouldn't know. What I said was, it seems like a valid approach. I might even read it. What you said was "snicker."
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04-26-2005, 04:40 PM
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#3459
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Originally posted by bilmore
Wouldn't know. What I said was, it seems like a valid approach. I might even read it. What you said was "snicker."
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You read the summary and say "seems like a valid approach." I read the summary and feel that the thesis is laughable, so I laugh. As you were saying this morning, there is room for humor. Though I guess not humor at the expense of people you agree with.
I also say:
But that's just the point -- the "content of the culture" is so variable and so malleable that tying a complex social phenomenon to that culture makes little sense.
And:
I have little patience for social science studies of this sort, that attempt to attribute broad and complicated social phenomena to individual causes. I would be similarly unlikely to read a book that explained why racism was the cause of the difference between white and black economic status in the US.
You translate that as "snicker". Because, I suppose, there is also no room for criticism of people you agree with.
So, just translate this post as "fuck you, Bilmore." Your claim to moral and intellectual superiority has, as usual, grown tiresome. Go home and insult your wife so she won't fuck you some more.
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04-26-2005, 05:24 PM
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#3460
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Too Good For Post Numbers
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Originally posted by Sidd Finch
So, just translate this post as "fuck you, Bilmore." Your claim to moral and intellectual superiority has, as usual, grown tiresome. Go home and insult your wife so she won't fuck you some more.
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Are you sure you're in the right business? This life just really seems to make you . . . I don't know . . . bitter and humorless.
Oh, and bitter.
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04-26-2005, 05:27 PM
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#3461
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World Ruler
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Originally posted by bilmore
Are you sure you're in the right business? This life just really seems to make you . . . I don't know . . . bitter and humorless.
Oh, and bitter.
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Okay, the level of discourse has been raised. We can all go home now.
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04-26-2005, 05:39 PM
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Random Syndicate (admin)
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Ah, fun
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Originally posted by bilmore
"
XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX TUE APRIL 26, 2005 14:20:17 ET XXXXX
BUSH ASKS ABOUT 'SPLASH DAY'
President Bush raised eyebrows on Tuesday when he asked locals in Galveston, Texas: "Do you still have Splash Day?"
"Splash Day" is the annual "adult oriented enormous beach party" celebration on the Gulf Coast.
BUSH: Do you still have Splash Day?
(LAUGHTER)
BUSH: You have to be a baby boomer to know what I'm talking about.
(LAUGHTER)
BUSH: I'm not saying whether I came or not on Splash Day. I'm just saying, Do you have Splash Day?
(LAUGHTER)
Bush was unaware "Splash Day" is now a fully gay and lesbian event on the beaches.
Developing..
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Heh. My sister and a gay friend were looking for the gay beach in Galveston a few years ago, but it changed location. All they found was a glow stick and a used condom.
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04-26-2005, 05:44 PM
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#3463
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Random Syndicate (admin)
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Heh.
Dallas Morning News this morning.
I have the sense of humor of an 11 year old boy.
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04-26-2005, 06:16 PM
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#3464
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For what it's worth
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Quote:
Originally posted by William Faulkner
Yes. We are, at base, a simple people. That it has taken so long for this illustrious Mr. Sowell to uncover our flaws and our colorful customs that obscure our unavoidable mediocrity, reveals almost as much about the the examiner than about the examined.
Wm. Faulkner
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Per capita incomes and educational levels have always been lower in the South (although that has been changing rather significantly recently).
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04-26-2005, 06:18 PM
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#3465
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For what it's worth
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Bush Taps DeLay
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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
In District 22 news, Richard Morrison dropped out of the race yesterday citing money problems and his wife's pregnancy with a fifth kid. Money is on former congressman and victim of redistricting Nick Lampson to pick up the torch, though Councilman Gordon Quan is also being discussed.
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My man McCloskey is there right now trying to dig up someone else. I am sure he is promising them all sorts of money that he expects me to raise.
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