Making Baby Jesus Cry

[nononono]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
I thought you were a chick, no? No offence.

So did I. You can never tell with those furry animals.

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
I thought you were a chick, no? No offence.

Sshhh...don't tell my wife or the littlest Panda.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Sexual Harassment Panda
Sshhh...don't tell my wife or the littlest Panda.

Dl dl.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Ah, bad example. I blame Reagan. As does Ty.

Penske holds Kennedy responsible, no doubt.

eta: just for kicks i decided to see if Tulsa has ever been hit by a hurricane. I could not easily find the answer. But I did find the curious fact that the University of Tulsa's nickname is the Golden Hurricane. Which made me think of RT's sister, nttawwt.

feta: I am reliably informed that Tulsa does, indeed, flood, with some frequency. Or at least parts thereof. No offence intended to those who have experienced them. I shall research further whether this is a result of Bush's wetlands "policy."

Indeed Tulsa does "flood." And people "die" in the "floods." I think it mainly has to do with being on a floodplain. But the houses/apts not on floodplains are more expensive, for some reason.

I didn't STP.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
This is correct, and as I've opined elsewhere the fundamental problem is we've tried to sustain a city in a river delta. It just doesn't work, at least not long term.

What, so they deserve to suffer and die? It's a handy-dandy way of solving the problem of having a city on a river delta?

I agree that state/local gov't bears responsibility, but what the hell do we have the national guard and FEMA for if not to handle, you know, emergencies?

How is it possible that the head of FEMA and of Homeland Security in general were making statements that they didn't know until Thursday morning that conditions at the Superdome were so bad, and that by Thursday night they were taking steps to fix the problems? WE fucking knew on Wednesday that it was bad, and could only get worse because sanitary problems, lack of food, and lack of water weren't really going to magically fix themselves. http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/02/kat...nse/index.html How could they not know that the hospitals were in really bad shape?

I do actually think it's entirely possible that they were telling the truth when they said that everything was under control, as far as they knew there were no corpses, evacuations of the hospitals were nearly finished, etc. Just like I think it's entirely possible (or, hell, probable) that Bush really didn't know that the yellowcake blah blah was most likely bullshit. But what kind of organizational culture produces that result? They are not following the "good news should travel fast, but bad news should travel faster up the line" rule. I have worked with people like this, who are at a (relatively, because I'm not THAT cool) high level and don't want to hear about problems. So their underlings learn to tell them when things go well, but suppress information about things that are going badly unless and until the underlings figure out there's no way to avoid it. It does not produce efficient, effective results.


ETA I don't think Bush is to blame for the fact that NO got flooded. He's also not to blame for the fuckups, but possibly as the top guy, he should have immediately intervened (and maybe he tried) as soon as it became obvious that people were trapped and getting upset -- and that was all over the damn TV, for fuck's sake. And if he wants to be the top guy, he has to accept blame for the shit his organization does and doesn't do. You all are like the partner who tells clients it's the paralegal's fault.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by ltl/fb


ETA I don't think Bush is to blame for the fact that NO got flooded.

That's my point. I was calling bullshit on the claim that Bush's policy was to say fuck it to the levees, wetlands, and such, when the core problem has existed for centuries, and a better solution has been overlooked for decades.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
That's my point. I was calling bullshit on the claim that Bush's policy was to say fuck it to the levees, wetlands, and such, when the core problem has existed for centuries, and a better solution has been overlooked for decades.

Oh. I am primarily upset that the fixing efforts have been so fucked.

And I recalled on my way home that you were the guy who was like "hurricane headed to DC? Ha ha, they never really hit us, I'm going to go out and sit in my yard while I surf the internet!" But since you aren't (I don't think) one of the people saying, hey, they didn't evacuate? They are stupid (rather than taking the risk based on all the times they did evacuate, and nothing happened) and deserve to starve/dehydrate to death, I will not go nuclear (or conventional) on your ass on the topic.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
That's my point. I was calling bullshit on the claim that Bush's policy was to say fuck it to the levees, wetlands, and such, when the core problem has existed for centuries, and a better solution has been overlooked for decades.

Why can't both be true? San Francisco is built on a fault, but that doesn't me we say fuck it to the building code, disaster preparedness, etc.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Why can't both be true? San Francisco is built on a fault, but that doesn't me we say fuck it to the building code, disaster preparedness, etc.

Yes. I remember when the earthquake hit awhile back nothing bad happened. If like the worse does happen, and a chunk of land sinks, what exactly is the plan?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Yes. I remember when the earthquake hit awhile back nothing bad happened. If like the worse does happen, and a chunk of land sinks, what exactly is the plan?

The land doesn't sink, except in movies. It shakes. The shaking is really bad on soft soil, like fill. And it's tough on buildings that aren't up to code. California has been spending a lot of money since 1989 to retrofit buildings so that they will survive a big one. (Loma Prieta was not a big one.)

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
The land doesn't sink, except in movies. It shakes. The shaking is really bad on soft soil, like fill. And it's tough on buildings that aren't up to code. California has been spending a lot of money since 1989 to retrofit buildings so that they will survive a big one. (Loma Prieta was not a big one.)

More people along the Gulf Coast are from rural areas. Spanky tells us they favor a restricted role for government. I think spanky is saying he thinks that Katrina (is this a Serbian name?) victims deserve what they got.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
The land doesn't sink, except in movies. It shakes. The shaking is really bad on soft soil, like fill. And it's tough on buildings that aren't up to code. California has been spending a lot of money since 1989 to retrofit buildings so that they will survive a big one. (Loma Prieta was not a big one.)

How come the Embarcardaro is so airy? I thought there was a freeway over it?

Point is, while you might hope all that will survive a big earthquake, you don't know. Katrina was bigger than anything anticipated,

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
How come the Embarcardaro is so airy? I thought there was a freeway over it?

What I said about fill? The original edge of the harbor was on (what is now) Montgomery Street, several blocks from the Ferry Building.

eta: I can't find an on-line map of the original shoreline, but this tells you where you don't want to be in an earthquake.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
What I said about fill? The original edge of the harbor was on (what is now) Montgomery Street, several blocks from the Ferry Building.

eta: I can't find an on-line map of the original shoreline, but this tells you where you don't want to be in an earthquake.

will Alcatraz hold up? I want to show my grandkids where my grandpa used to live.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
will Alcatraz hold up? I want to show my grandkids where my grandpa used to live.

The Rock is not fill.