New Fashion Board 10-3-2003 - 11-7-2003

[ms. naughty diplomat]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
And they are against booty dancing.

http://www.katyjohnson.com/toon1.html

hmm, her bad poetry is getting better:

"Booty dancing is a booby trap...
That will give your reputation a "bum rap".

is actually kind of clever.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
That's not even a serious lipo procedure, it's in the "suck and go" outpatient category.

In some states, it's legal to do this in drive-thrus.

Originally posted by leagleaze
Actually you sound like a presumptive asshole, but hey, tomato tamahto.

Excuse me but when did it become morally reprehensible to draw conclusions from observations? He generalized but didnt say categorically, everyone is like this. jesus. so people are supposed to keep their opinions to themselves>? ick. no thanks.

[robustpuppy]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
[whoopsie!]

And you still haven't fixed the code. More tutoring is in order.

[notcasesensitive]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
And they are against booty dancing.

http://www.katyjohnson.com/toon1.html

You wound me. If I ever get sick of my current persona, Miss Vermont will be my next avatar. Perhaps a picture with those slutty platform heels. What sort of message is she sending to young girls?!

[leagleaze]

Originally posted by paigowprincess
Excuse me but when did it become morally reprehensible to draw conclusions from observations? He generalized but didnt say categorically, everyone is like this. jesus. so people are supposed to keep their opinions to themselves>? ick. no thanks.

Didn't realize I called him morally reprehensible.

Originally posted by Chunky Monkey
Have you ever been bitch-slapped?

What does bitch slapping mean? Is that when a man slaps a woman he does not like across the face? I have never had this happen to me, no. I avoid misogynistic people with anger issues for the most part.

Have you ever posted anything entertaining or clever?

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by robustpuppy
And you still haven't fixed the code. More tutoring is in order.

Your place or mine?


Damn, I'm smooth.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

I love when a post starts like this:

Originally posted by mmm3587
I agree, and I have no problem (moral or otherwise, and of course, this is a personal decision women make, so who am I to say anything, I'm just sharing my opinion) with women wanting to look better, or getting a quick fix, or anything like that.

And ends like this:

Originally posted by mmm3587
If you disagree with my assertions about the reasons women are getting them, that's fine. Say so. But it's silly to characterize breast implants as good just because women could do them for a "good" reason. You can also be a stripper for a "good reason." It's just not usually the case.

You are projecting. I didn't say every time someone gets breast implants it's a good thing. I was arguing your point that linked everyone who gets breast augmentation to strippers and prostitutes. I said that's not always the case, not "augmentation is always a good thing, dumbass. But, let's move on.

Originally posted by mmm3587
They view a physical change as something that is going to change the way they feel about themselves. And I don't think that's healthy. If you don't like yourself, even if you can make you like yourself more for a while with some breast implants, that's not going to make yourself like you in the long run. Even if you keep doing all these crazy things to your body to make yourself look better.

And here's where we disagree.

I think you watch too many MTV documentaries. Not everyone who gets a breast job is obsessed with their bodies. Not everyone who gets a breast job goes straight up to 40DDD. Many women change the shape of their breasts or get a small increase to give them more curves. Feeling better about yourself often comes from a change in your physical appearance. For you to argue otherwise means you either have a perfect build or are some delusional fattie who is perfectly comfortable with those three sausages sitting on the back of your neck.

Not liking a part of your body does not always equate to disliking yourself. If you have a fucked up nose and you change it, it doesn't mean that you are filled with self hate. Sometimes it may. Most times I'm betting it doesn't.

Your problem is that you speak in extremes. "If you don't like yourself, even if you can make you like yourself more for a while with some breast implants, that's not going to make yourself like you in the long run." If you're speaking to the problem of insecurity and self hate, then the people who have plastic surgery to try to fix that are never going to be happy. No argument there. But it does not follow that someone who has plastic surgery necessarily has these problems.

Originally posted by mmm3587
And, compared to the strippers that I have known (never known any prostitutes), women who have had breast implants seem to share the same sort of feelings about themselves. They view their bodies and their breasts as a reason for men to be attracted to them and a reason for men to treat them a certain way. There's a difference between a man thinking "Wow, she has really sexy breasts" whether they're real or not, than a man thinking "Wow, her breasts are the first thing I notice, the only thing I think about, and the reason I want to get to know her."

And here's your real problem. You're talking to the wrong people. Strippers don't represent the general population as far as mental health goes. The insecurity problems they have are surely more pronounced. Not only that, but I think you will find that the "viewing their breasts as a reason for men to be attracted to them and a reason for men to treat them a certain way," attitude among strippers is somewhat (okay, very) related to their profession. So if you want to revise your post so that you're talking about the image problems of strippers with implants, I'll probably agree with most of what you say. Unfortunately, you can't make this big a shift in the middle of an argument without a few people catching it.

TM

[notcasesensitive]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Damn, I'm smooth.

No. Scaley. [Insert Paigowism here.]

[Connect_the_Dots]

Originally posted by mmm3587
I think going to strip clubs is great and fun and I love seeing naked women and having them rub their bodies against mine.

Chef?

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
Sixteen year olds aside, I think this is ridiculous. Everyone wants to be more desirable and better looking. Everyone. Women with nice breasts are more desirable than women without nice breasts. Women get breast implants for many reasons. Among them, yes, having power over men. But also included in that list is looking nicer in clothes (and this is as much for themselves as it is for the people who look at them) or having more self confidence or fixing something that is flawed (and yes, it could be flawed in their eyes or society's and sometimes the two can't be separated).

But jesus. It's not always a commentary on sexism in society. People want a quick fix. Breast augmentation is a quick fix. Men want quick fixes too. But the things that make men look better aren't the same. But damn, if steroids and other muscle growing substances aren't more popular than ever, I'll be a flinty's uncle. And I wonder how much money gets spent on hair regrowth formulas and wigs and shit. Same thing.

TM

How do you explain your penis implant then? Your dockers are more fitted but we all know tht isnt the real reason.

[notcasesensitive]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
I love when a post starts like this: And ends like this: You are projecting. I didn't say every time someone gets breast implants it's a good thing. I was arguing your point that linked everyone who gets breast augmentation to strippers and prostitutes. I said that's not always the case, not "augmentation is always a good thing, dumbass. But, let's move on.

And here's where we disagree.

I think you watch too many MTV documentaries. Not everyone who gets a breast job is obsessed with their bodies. Not everyone who gets a breast job goes straight up to 40DDD. Many women change the shape of their breasts or get a small increase to give them more curves. Feeling better about yourself often comes from a change in your physical appearance. For you to argue otherwise means you either have a perfect build or are some delusional fattie who is perfectly comfortable with those three sausages sitting on the back of your neck.

Not liking a part of your body does not always equate to disliking yourself. If you have a fucked up nose and you change it, it doesn't mean that you are filled with self hate. Sometimes it may. Most times I'm betting it doesn't.

Your problem is that you speak in extremes. "If you don't like yourself, even if you can make you like yourself more for a while with some breast implants, that's not going to make yourself like you in the long run." If you're speaking to the problem of insecurity and self hate, then the people who have plastic surgery to try to fix that are never going to be happy. No argument there. But it does not follow that someone who has plastic surgery necessarily has these problems.

And here's your real problem. You're talking to the wrong people. Strippers don't represent the general population as far as mental health goes. The insecurity problems they have are surely more pronounced. Not only that, but I think you will find that the "viewing their breasts as a reason for men to be attracted to them and a reason for men to treat them a certain way," attitude among strippers is somewhat (okay, very) related to their profession. So if you want to revise your post so that you're talking about the image problems of strippers with implants, I'll probably agree with most of what you say. Unfortunately, you can't make this big a shift in the middle of an argument without a few people catching it.

TM

+1 for prediction (ohh, I'm like a freakin psychic or something)
-2 for incorrect result

TM, why do you hurt me so?

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by taxwonk
Oh, is that who Clay Aiken is? I never watched the show, but I am highly confident that I would never buy anything recorded by someone whose career highlight was a "fifteen minutes of fame" game show.

This phenomenon confuses me.

Would you buy an album by a person who never performed in their lives, met Mick Jagger, sang him a song and got hooked up with the right people and had an album released that was actually quite good?

The reason why I ask is because you've never heard of the guy and probably haven't heard him sing. If you're like Less and believe that his music has to suck because so many people (mostly teenagers) like him, that's one thing. But basing it on the fact that his big break came from a talent show and not some other random occurence seems strange.

TM

[ms. naughty diplomat]

Originally posted by notcasesensitive
You wound me. If I ever get sick of my current persona, Miss Vermont will be my next avatar. Perhaps a picture with those slutty platform heels. What sort of message is she sending to young girls?!

i don't know, but if some of her cartoons were written by a man they would be undoubtably considered sexist.

like this one which unambiguously tells girls to value themselves based on the men they are with.

http://www.katyjohnson.com/toon3.html