Offering constructive criticism to the social cripples in our midst since early 2005.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I ask you: How could my client have committed fraud if the plaintiff chose to purchase his products?

Nice try Ty, but I dissent. The questions of Bush's rationale for the War and the War itself, were put the voters. The issue of whether or not he lied was put to the voters. They ratified his policy choices. The War, based on the 5-6 rationales that Club noted, was approved.

Perhaps the Dems will get lucky and come up with a saleable bill of goods of their own. Some.time.in.the.next.century.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
This is exacly my position re the Second Amendment, but when it comes time to show up early in the morning for the militia drills, none of the gunnies are willing to haul their asses out of bed.

We were up, drilled and were at the Dunkin Donuts by the time you got there.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Speaking of which, a sign in front of a church in the small town in the very red state in which I spent last weekend informed me that 26 babies die from abortions every ten minutes. Back of the envelope calculations I won't bother to repeat here lead me to conclude that 5% of the female population capable of childbearing has an abortion every year. Since, as Penske correctly notes, some percentage of woman are anti-abortion, and this percentage is somewhat less likely to have an abortion, that percentage must be even higher among the rest. Can this be right? Sounds high to me.

You lost me on that one. Do you have a graph?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
You lost me on that one. Do you have a graph?

Post your fax number, and maybe I can fax you the envelope.

Or, work from 2.6 abortions/minute, and you get an annual number. Assume there are 250,000,000 people in America, and work from there to get a ballpark number of women of childbearing age. When I did it, the former number is about 5% of the latter number.

My sister, BTW, figured 5% seemed about right. Seems high to me. We generally agree about abortion rights, FWIW, although I see more virtues in gun ownership, NTTAWWT.

[SlaveNoMore]

Tyrone Slothrop
Do you think Allah somehow protected Muslims from the shrapnel? "Among the targets in the worst attack on London since World War II was the Edgware Road station, located in the heart of wealthy, assimilated Arab London." More.

Let them declare fatwas against those usurping the religion.

Let them denounce those preaching hare in the universities.

Let them speak up. And not just BS words, like RT chose to link to, Let's see true leaders speak AND act.

Surely, you don't disagree with these sentiments.

[SlaveNoMore]

Tyrone Slothrop
Speaking of which, a sign in front of a church in the small town in the very red state in which I spent last weekend informed me that 26 babies die from abortions every ten minutes. Back of the envelope calculations I won't bother to repeat here lead me to conclude that 5% of the female population capable of childbearing has an abortion every year..

NARAL actually counts that number a bit higher in their anti-Bush mailings. Although I'm not on the mailing list, I'm sure you are.

[SlaveNoMore]

Tyrone Slothrop
Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I ask you: How could my client have committed fraud if the plaintiff chose to purchase his products?

Wasn't this the Clinton defense?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Post your fax number, and maybe I can fax you the envelope.
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555-IAM-RIGHT.

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop


My sister, BTW, figured 5% seemed about right. Seems high to me. We generally agree about abortion rights, FWIW, although I see more virtues in gun ownership, NTTAWWT.

You and your sister generally agree or you and I generally agree?

Either way, the Second Amendment is certainly more virtuous. With the exercise of the Second Amendment the hidden right to abortion can always spring into life, npi.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Let them declare fatwas against those usurping the religion.

Let them denounce those preaching hare in the universities.

Bugs Bunny is a Muslim?!!?

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore


Surely, you don't disagree with these sentiments.

I do not disagree.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by bilmore
You're referring, of course, to the Republicans' long history of filibustering judicial candidates?

They certainly found ways to block an awful lot of Clinton's candidates. It's really a problem that has existed for decades on both sides of the aisle.

I think the biggest part of the problem is a lack of integrity and spine in Congress. They ceased being a responsible legislative body long ago. As a result, too much of the business of making law has been left to the regulatory agencies and the courts. Of course, since nobody is happy with the results, the Congress, instead of taking action through legislation, spends its time in inquiries designed to smear the other party and looking for ways to ensure that judges with their philosophical bent get appointed.

The one thing I'm quite sure of is that the current situation in not what our founding fathers had in mind when they put in place a system of checks and balances.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Let them declare fatwas against those usurping the religion.

Let them denounce those preaching hare in the universities.

Let them speak up. And not just BS words, like RT chose to link to, Let's see true leaders speak AND act.

Surely, you don't disagree with these sentiments.

And if they don't do as you command, they deserve to die?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by taxwonk
And if they don't do as you command, they deserve to die?

The preaching "hare"? Depends, is it duck season or rabbit season?

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Nice try Ty, but I dissent. The questions of Bush's rationale for the War and the War itself, were put the voters. The issue of whether or not he lied was put to the voters. They ratified his policy choices. The War, based on the 5-6 rationales that Club noted, was approved.

Perhaps the Dems will get lucky and come up with a saleable bill of goods of their own. Some.time.in.the.next.century.

Where are the lies?

"Mr. Vice President, Mr. Speaker, members of the Senate and the House of Representatives:

Yesterday, December 7, 1941 - a date which will live in infamy - the United States of America was suddenly and deliberately attacked by naval and air forces of the Empire of Japan.

The United States was at peace with that nation, and, at the solicitation of Japan, was still in conversation with its government and its Emperor looking toward the maintenance of peace in the Pacific.

Indeed, one hour after Japanese air squadrons had commenced bombing in the American island of Oahu, the Japanese Ambassador to the United States and his colleague delivered to our Secretary of State a formal reply to a recent American message. And, while this reply stated that it seemed useless to continue the existing diplomatic negotiations, it contained no threat or hint of war or of armed attack.

It will be recorded that the distance of Hawaii from Japan makes it obvious that the attack was deliberately planned many days or even weeks ago. During the intervening time the Japanese Government has deliberately sought to deceive the United States by false statements and expressions of hope for continued peace.

The attack yesterday on the Hawaiian Islands has caused severe damage to American naval and military forces. I regret to tell you that very many American lives have been lost. In addition, American ships have been reported torpedoed on the high seas between San Francisco and Honolulu.

Yesterday the Japanese Government also launched an attack against Malaya.
Last night Japanese forces attacked Hong Kong.
Last night Japanese forces attacked Guam.
Last night Japanese forces attacked the Philippine Islands.
Last night the Japanese attacked Wake Island.
And this morning the Japanese attacked Midway Island.

Japan has therefore undertaken a surprise offensive extending throughout the Pacific area. The facts of yesterday and today speak for themselves. The people of the United States have already formed their opinions and well understand the implications to the very life and safety of our nation.

As Commander-in-Chief of the Army and Navy I have directed that all measures be taken for our defense, that always will our whole nation remember the character of the onslaught against us.

No matter how long it may take us to overcome this premeditated invasion, the American people, in their righteous might, will win through to absolute victory.

I believe that I interpret the will of the Congress and of the people when I assert that we will not only defend ourselves to the uttermost but will make it very certain that this form of treachery shall never again endanger us.

Hostilities exist. There is no blinking at the fact that our people, our territory and our interests are in grave danger.

With confidence in our armed forces, with the unbounding determination of our people, we will gain the inevitable triumph. So help us God.

I ask that the Congress declare that since the unprovoked and dastardly attack by Japan on Sunday, December 7, 1941, a state of war has existed between the United States and the Japanese Empire."

Franklin D. Roosevelt - December 8, 1941

[bilmore]

Originally posted by taxwonk
And if they don't do as you command, they deserve to die?

I doubt he meant "deserve" to die, but, practically speaking, their chance of dying will increase. How long before we start to see a mini civil war, aimed mostly at the local Islamic communities? In England, I'm guessing the answer is, soon. They've had way more than their share of stories and interviews in the last two days, with young londoner muslims expressing humor and - yeah - glee - at the bombings. I don't think the reasonable Islamic community can afford to stay on the sidelines much longer there.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by taxwonk
And if they don't do as you command, they deserve to die?

He did not imply that Muslims who did not do what he said should die. He was merely listing the things they need to do.