Making Baby Jesus Cry - Page 242

Tyrone Slothrop · 09-06-2005, 01:47 AM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
Mayor Nagin didn't use the buses. Why? WHY??? WHY?!?!?!?!?!?

Maybe he's a dumb-ass. I don't know -- it's certainly possible, but I'll find it easier to believe when I hear it from people who aren't spinning like a top -- indeed, changing their tune -- to try to defend the White House.

And in any case, it's not like it excuses or mitigates the federal government's massive fuck-ups, too. Here's part of the Department of Homeland Security's mission statement: "Lead, manage and coordinate the national response to acts of terrorism, natural disasters, or other emergencies."

DHS also says,

In the event of a terrorist attack, natural disaster or other large-scale emergency, the Department of Homeland Security will assume primary responsibility on March 1st for ensuring that emergency response professionals are prepared for any situation. This will entail providing a coordinated, comprehensive federal response to any large-scale crisis and mounting a swift and effective recovery effort.

Well, maybe next time.

Tyrone Slothrop · 09-06-2005, 01:55 AM

Last time I checked, naval officers aren't in the habit of criticizing their commander in chief no matter how many punches they have to absorb in the process. It appears, however, that Lt. Commander Sean Kelly, a Pentagon spokesman for Northern Command, didn't get the memo. Asked why Northcom hadn't reponded to Hurricane Katrina more quickly, he accidentally told the truth:

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Northcom started planning before the storm even hit....We had the USS Bataan sailing almost behind the hurricane so once the hurricane made landfall, its search and rescue helicopters could be available almost immediately So, we had things ready. The only caveat is: we have to wait until the president authorizes us to do so. The laws of the United States say that the military can't just act in this fashion; we have to wait for the president to give us permission.

So why didn't the president issue the orders?

Drum

Spanky · 09-06-2005, 02:58 AM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I don't care to defend Sean Penn. I'm just annoyed that with all of the stories from the Gulf Coast that matter, someone wasted the time and electrons to report that his boat was leaking.

Heartbreaking, but I guess it's not as much fun as ridiculing Sean Penn.

Your hypocracy is beyond beliefe. It is OK for the newspapers to endlessly speculate on who is at it fault instead of focusing on the human tragedy but not OK to tell a funny story about a Hollywood star. Are you saying every news report about New Orleans has be be about the human tragedy? In addition, do we end all cartoons and sportspages while the "crisis" is on. This is not a waste of "electrons". News media outlets are a business and they need to sell their product.

The market will decide if Sean Penn's story is something people want to read about. But if you are going to cloak you defense of Sean Penn as a worry about the focus of the story you need to critisize any story that focuses on anything other than the "human tragedy".

No one is buying it. You had a knee jerk protective reaction to protect this bozo and I don't know why I am complaining because it is the people on your side of the fence's inability to critisize these fruit loops that keeps the Republicans in power.

Tyrone Slothrop · 09-06-2005, 03:03 AM

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Originally posted by Spanky
Your hypocracy is beyond believe. It is OK for the newspapers to endlessly speculate on who is at it fault instead of focusing on the human tragedy but no OK to tell a funny story about a Hollywood starts. Are you saying every news report about New Orleans has be be about the tragedy. In addition, do we end all cartoons and sportspages while the "crisis" is on. This is not a waste of "electrons". News media outlets are a business and they need to sell their product.

The market will decide if Sean Penn's story is something people want to read about. But if you are going to cloak you defense of Sean Penn as a worry about the focus of the story you need to critisize any story that focuses on anything other than the "human tragedy".

No one is buying it. You had a knee jerk protective reaction to protect this bozo and I don't know why I am complaining because it is the people on your side of the fence's inability to critisize these fruit loops that keeps the Republicans in power.

Listen, dumb-ass, I wasn't protecting Sean Penn. I don't give a rat's ass about Sean Penn. I don't watch his movies. I don't care what he thinks. I don't read what he writes. I really don't care about him. If I did any of these things, I might know enough to criticize him. I can tell you that I don't like his facial hair, based solely on the picture Penke posted. If you have something negative to say about Sean Penn, go ahead.

What's pathetic is that someone could waste time mocking Sean Penn for going to Louisiana with a boat to try to help people and finding that his boat leaks. I mean, WTF? I don't particularly care for Michael Moore or Dennis Miller, but if they wanted go to Louisiana in leaky boats to try to help people, more power to them, too.

Spanky · 09-06-2005, 03:06 AM

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Originally posted by baltassoc

This may come as a surpirse to you Spanky, but not everything posted on this board is done in earnest.

Give me a break. You were trying to defend the Senator consorting with Castro. At least stand by your own statements. A person in such a public position to hang and and "have fun" with a brutal dictator is poor judgement. I am sure there were many political dissidents rotting in a Cuban prison that did not appreciate a US Senator symbollically legitimizing his policies.

If Bill Frist was having drinks with Pinchot you would have an epileptic seisure.

Maybe if your comment was to defend a conservative Senator consorting with fascist politician, then your following defensive comments might have been believable, but knowing your politics it is clear why you tried to justify the meeting between the Senator from Louisiana and the enslaver of Cuba.

Spanky · 09-06-2005, 03:14 AM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Listen, dumb-ass,

I will just conlude by your emotional response that my comments were accurate and right on point. Nothing creats an emotional response like someone facing the truth when they don't want to hear it.

Tyrone Slothrop · 09-06-2005, 03:30 AM

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Originally posted by Spanky
I will just conlude by your emotional response that my comments were accurate and right on point. Nothing creats an emotional response like someone facing the truth when they don't want to hear it.

I feel the same love for Sean Penn that I feel for you.

eta: Maybe less, as I think about it.

Gattigap · 09-06-2005, 07:15 AM

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Originally posted by Spanky
The market will decide if Sean Penn's story is something people want to read about.

That's fine and all, but FWIW, don't mistake Penske's singular enthusiasm for "market acceptance."

Hank Chinaski · 09-06-2005, 08:59 AM

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Originally posted by Not Bob

Hey, did you say something in an earlier post re Katrina about it not being legal to use the regular army in US cities? (If it was someone else, I apologize -- but anyway, this is a real question, not a slam.) If that's true, how was Eisenhower able to send the 101st Airborne into Little Rock? And didn't regular army troops restore order in places like Detroit and Newark during riots in the late 1960s?

Posse Comitatus act restricts something, and a blog I had read just before posting implied restricted sending troops to NO. It seems that among Penske's other extensive readings he has found this position unsound. So be it. In defense, I had recently seen the movie about a terror cell in New York, where Bruce Willis kept wanting to bring troops in, but couldn't.

As to the 67 Detroit riots, I was studying for the bar exam, and really didn't keep up with the details.

nononono · 09-06-2005, 10:34 AM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Posse Comitatus act restricts something, and a blog I had read just before posting implied restricted sending troops to NO. It seems that among Penske's other extensive readings he has found this position unsound. So be it. In defense, I had recently seen the movie about a terror cell in New York, where Bruce Willis kept wanting to bring troops in, but couldn't.

As to the 67 Detroit riots, I was studying for the bar exam, and really didn't keep up with the details.

Wow, that's a lot of words for, "Sorry, I was wrong."

sebastian_dangerfield · 09-06-2005, 10:42 AM

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Originally posted by Spanky
I will just conlude by your emotional response that my comments were accurate and right on point. Nothing creats an emotional response like someone facing the truth when they don't want to hear it.

“Listen, dumb-ass,” is not an emotional response. Kanye West making a buffoon of himself on natl television was what I’d call an emotional response. Ty was merely registering an observation - that you are a dumbass. If you disagree, offer some facts supporting the position that you are not a dumbass. Otherwise, I’m taking your non-response to Ty’s allegation as an admission that you are, in fact, a dumbass.

andViolins · 09-06-2005, 10:45 AM

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
“Listen, dumb-ass,” is not an emotional response. Kanye West making a buffoon of himself on natl television was what I’d call an emotional response. Ty was merely registering an observation - that you are a dumbass. If you disagree, offer some facts supporting the position that you are not a dumbass. Otherwise, I’m taking your non-response to Ty’s allegation as an admission that you are, in fact, a dumbass.

Did you catch Celine Dion rambling away on Larry King? Now THAT was a crazed emotional reponse.

aV