A disgusting vat of filth that no self-respecting intelligent person would wade into.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
From now on, www.lawtalkers.com will be closed to new posts at 5 points during the day.

I don't want any of our Muslim friends to miss out on the next K race or Patentpara pile-on just because they happen to be praying.

I didn't know they had lawtalkers in Saudi Arabia.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I didn't know they had lawtalkers in Saudi Arabia.

Ty,

The interwebs go everywhere......WORLD WIDE WEB. Get it?

Penske

ps: Have you been drinking?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Ty,
Have you been drinking?

ever notice with Ty it's always drinking too much, or not nearly enough? he never seems to drink just the right amount like we do.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
If you want Democratic primary voters to see a smear, getting into Insight or NRO is an odd choice. As it letting the outlet that runs it source the leak to you. If you're not getting some assurance of anonymity, they're going to burn you, as they did here, which kinda defeats the purposes of going to the wingers in the first place.

OTOH, the wingers get to burn both Obama and HRC with this. A two-fer!

I can tell you my Senator's reasons for sourcing things there- you don't win by splitting the dems, you win by convincing the Dems that the other guy can't win. by planting this story Hillary is telling the decision makers that the Rs won't miss this story if Obama gets the nod.

Ty, that you have no Political IQ is not a handicap unless you continue to insist on pretending you do.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
So you are theorising that Gore leaked this under the guise of coming from Clinton......interesting....I can buy that.

do you have a history of copyright infringement? it helps with the statutory damages.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Yeah, I'm sure that was his overriding concern.

I agree that Northwestern should not spend federal money providing what would be a religious preference. If that was required to address this pretty minor and innocuous request, then the answer should be "no."

If, on the other hand, there was an available space not being used during a game, and it was not a problem to let them use that space, then the answer should either be "yes" or "no".

Since the prayer is probably fairly short -- I've seen it and remember it being only 10-15 minutes, but I'm sure different muslims do it differently -- I wouldn't think any outlays of federal funds would be required. But, like I said, if they were then the answer should be "no".

I'm just not seeing how the answer includes "douchebag" and "stay home during prayer time" (which, if you pray five times a day, pretty much means "stay home all day").

I go to games at MSU. I need to have alcohol drinks like 5 or 6 times a night. MSU doesn't serve alcohol drinks at its games. I know there are empty rooms in the arena- why can't i go in them to drink. please explain why setting aside a room for muslims to pray is different than a room for me to drink.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Adder
I'm not sure we should model our society on their's.

I think that is Slave's point.

[Adder]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
I think that is Slave's point.

Yes. That is why I pointed it out. I am clever like that occassionally.

But only when I have been drinking.

[Adder]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
I go to games at MSU. I need to have alcohol drinks like 5 or 6 times a night. MSU doesn't serve alcohol drinks at its games. I know there are empty rooms in the arena- why can't i go in them to drink. please explain why setting aside a room for muslims to pray is different than a room for me to drink.

Well, for one, the state and the school have not expressly banned praying on campus (as they have the sale of alcoholic beverages, like every other university). You may have notice that MSU has a chaplin service (most likely) and perhaps even students centers for student of multiple faiths.

That said, if you would give more money to the scholarship fund, you could get access to the "club" room in which the beer if free, and all you can drink. At least that is the way it works in Minnesota.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Cletus Miller
Yes, but . . . it seems to me that setting up a "prayer room" in the basketball arena is not a particularly good idea. Not because the folks asking for it are douchebags, terrorists, zionists, crusaders or scientologists. Because setting up "sacred" space in an otherwise a-religious facility that no one is present at other than completely voluntarily (i.e. not a workplace) is just not the way America works.

So a few people have to choose between honoring their religious beliefs and attending a basketball game--where does that stop? Do all college football games need to be moved from Saturday afternoons? What about Friday night high school football?

2 things people know about me here- my wife, and hence my kids, Jewish. And son is a great b-ball player.

there is a thing called Macabee games. Jewish kids from around the country go to a few cities each summer for a Olympics type games. Sonny boy is on the Detroit team.

I take my son and his regular friends and teammates (not Jewish) to play in tournaments several weekends each summer. The coach of the Macabee teams hears and suggests that we take the team to a few. I tell him great and suggest some. the tournaments are Saturdays and Sunday- Jews who are strictly observant won't play ball on Saturday. There are no observent Jews on the team. Still the coach tells me that if he signed the team up, some senior people would give him grief for scheduling games on saturday EVEN THOUGHT NONE OF THE PLAYERS OR THEIR FAM?ILIES WOULD CARE-

I guess the Sidd/Adder answer would be to ask that we be scheduled for only Sunday games.- Aren't Christians supposed to resting then?

but weird thing- Coach just passed. He realized that the Jewish belief re. Saturday exercise required his team to not play in those tournies. he didn't think the tournies needed to change.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Adder
Well, for one, the state and the school have not expressly banned praying on campus

I've drank on Campus- i don't think your statement here is accurate. But more imporantly, are you saying the people of Michigan could vote to ban Muslims from praying in any public place? We have fucked with Gays and black people our last few elections- I'm sure the votes are there for a prayer ban. Would it stand up?

[Adder]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
2 things people know about me here- my wife, and hence my kids, Jewish. And son is a great b-ball player.

there is a thing called Macabee games. Jewish kids from around the country go to a few cities each summer for a Olympics type games. Sonny boy is on the Detroit team.

I take my son and his regular friends and teammates (not Jewish) to play in tournaments several weekends each summer. The coach of the Macabee teams hears and suggests that we take the team to a few. I tell him great and suggest some. the tournaments are Saturdays and Sunday- Jews who are strictly observant won't play ball on Saturday. There are no observent Jews on the team. Still the coach tells me that if he signed the team up, some senior people would give him grief for scheduling games on saturday EVEN THOUGHT NONE OF THE PLAYERS OR THEIR FAM?ILIES WOULD CARE-

I guess the Sidd/Adder answer would be to ask that we be scheduled for only Sunday games.- Aren't Christians supposed to resting then?

but weird thing- Coach just passed. He realized that the Jewish belief re. Saturday exercise required his team to not play in those tournies.

This is relevant how? First of all, dude's religion doesn't require him not to be out during the games. Second, he is willing to pray in whatever space he can find if the university says no (which they can do if they want). And finally, dude just asked if there was somepalce he could pray. Politely.

And, while we are sharing stories, when I played on the travelling basketball team in middle school, the most athletic player on the team (perhaps even one of the best) was a Mormom who wasn't really supposed to play on Sundays, when the later rounds of the tournaments were played. He had to decide whether to play or not. Most of the time, he did not. None of us disrespected whatever decision he felt was approriate.

[Adder]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
I've drank on Campus- i don't think your statement here is accurate. But more imporantly, are you saying the people of Michigan could vote to ban Muslims from praying in any public place? We have fucked with Gays and black people our last few elections- I'm sure the votes are there for a prayer ban. Would it stand up?

You should read more carefully. I said the sale of alcohol was banned on campus, which I believe is an NCAA requirement (fucking NCAA), not that drinking on campus was illegal.

And no, I am not saying the people of Michigan could vote to ban praying in a public place. I am saying that your analogy is stupid as they can vote to ban the sale of alcohol, and they have.

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
the simple answer - stay the fuck home during prayer time, douchebag:

You really need to get a life, or stop being so fucking hateful.

The man is quoted as saying "its not really such a big deal", but they'd appreciate a small area for prayers. Did I miss something?

WTF is wrong with _asking_ for that? WTF is wrong with you?

S_A_M

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Adder
This is relevant how? First of all, dude's religion doesn't require him not to be out during the games. Second, he is willing to pray in whatever space he can find if the university says no (which they can do if they want). And finally, dude just asked if there was somepalce he could pray. Politely.

And, while we are sharing stories, when I played on the travelling basketball team in middle school, the most athletic player on the team (perhaps even one of the best) was a Mormom who wasn't really supposed to play on Sundays, when the later rounds of the tournaments were played. He had to decide whether to play or not. Most of the time, he did not. None of us disrespected whatever decision he felt was approriate.

When you are doing legal research and you find a case that is 80% the same facts as your case, you dismiss it because it isn't 100% the same?

That Mormon guy; he didn't ask that the Sunday games be rescheduled? he felt that if he were true to his religion he just wouldn't be able to show for them? Interesting.