Making Baby Jesus Cry

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by andViolins
Did you catch Celine Dion rambling away on Larry King? Now THAT was a crazed emotional reponse.

aV

Crocodile tears. She’s not going to succeed with an after-the-fact makeover to regain respect like Nixon or Khaddafi. Her crimes against us all are preserved forever. There will never be millions enough in donations to undo the pain inflicted by the Titanic theme song.

No, Celine... we will never forgive, and never forget.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
If there was something,anything in the NYT article suggesting that it reported all of Souter's remarks, you might -- might -- have a non-dumb-ass point. As it is, I can't believe I'm arguing with you, since all you are doing is trashing Souter for the sake of it. PPD.

Why would you assume that would not publish all of them? Or would publish only those comments related to the actual physical causes of his death? If he had words of praise for the life (outside of cancer) and/or career why would the Times have omitted them? It doesn't make sense, but of course you give the benefit of the doubt to the liberals where you would never give Bush or a Republican that benefit.

eta: Whose byline? Jayson Blair?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Maybe he's a dumb-ass. I don't know -- it's certainly possible, but I'll find it easier to believe when I hear it from people who aren't spinning like a top -- indeed, changing their tune -- to try to defend the White House.

And in any case, it's not like it excuses or mitigates the federal government's massive fuck-ups, too. Here's part of the Department of Homeland Security's mission statement: "Lead, manage and coordinate the national response to acts of terrorism, natural disasters, or other emergencies."

DHS also says,

• In the event of a terrorist attack, natural disaster or other large-scale emergency, the Department of Homeland Security will assume primary responsibility on March 1st for ensuring that emergency response professionals are prepared for any situation. This will entail providing a coordinated, comprehensive federal response to any large-scale crisis and mounting a swift and effective recovery effort.

Well, maybe next time.

Again, no benefit of the doubt for Bush but qualified criticism of the Democrat.

Isn't Nagin spinning like a top? The man who failed to call out the buses that could have saved/evacuated thousands profanely criticises Bush, but you can only say "its possible" he fucked up. Ask yourself if Bush had said, pre-levee breaking, publicly, "Its time for Mayor to get off his ass goddammit and get the fucking buses rolling". You and you're liberal blogsters would be howling.

Can you honestly not see how biased and prejudiced you are?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop

• Last time I checked, naval officers aren't in the habit of criticizing their commander in chief no matter how many punches they have to absorb in the process. It appears, however, that Lt. Commander Sean Kelly, a Pentagon spokesman for Northern Command, didn't get the memo. Asked why Northcom hadn't reponded to Hurricane Katrina more quickly, he accidentally told the truth:
  
  
  
  So why didn't the president issue the orders?

Drum

He had to wait for Blanco to request Federal help.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Listen, dumb-ass, I wasn't protecting Sean Penn. I don't give a rat's ass about Sean Penn. I don't watch his movies. I don't care what he thinks. I don't read what he writes. I really don't care about him. If I did any of these things, I might know enough to criticize him. I can tell you that I don't like his facial hair, based solely on the picture Penke posted. If you have something negative to say about Sean Penn, go ahead.

What's pathetic is that someone could waste time mocking Sean Penn for going to Louisiana with a boat to try to help people and finding that his boat leaks. I mean, WTF? I don't particularly care for Michael Moore or Dennis Miller, but if they wanted go to Louisiana in leaky boats to try to help people, more power to them, too.

Still entrenched in your defence. Further, people like Sean Penn can help, not by seeking out media ops to engage in rescue operations that they are ill-suited to be involved in and the attendant platforms to spout their partisan rhetoric, rather they can give money and lots of it. Sean Penn is probably worth tens of millions of dollars if not hundreds. He espouses fairly socialistic rhetoric. Why not keep a million or two to live on (that is more than enough for his projected lifespan, especially if he is so fucking stupid that he sets sail without the drain plug in) and give the rest to NO? Oh wait, he's a limousine liberal.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Spanky
Give me a break. You were trying to defend the Senator consorting with Castro. At least stand by your own statements. A person in such a public position to hang and and "have fun" with a brutal dictator is poor judgement. I am sure there were many political dissidents rotting in a Cuban prison that did not appreciate a US Senator symbollically legitimizing his policies.

If Bill Frist was having drinks with Pinchot you would have an epileptic seisure.

Maybe if your comment was to defend a conservative Senator consorting with fascist politician, then your following defensive comments might have been believable, but knowing your politics it is clear why you tried to justify the meeting between the Senator from Louisiana and the enslaver of Cuba.

Castro is a moral hero to the modern day dems. JFK must be turning over in his grave to know that his party glorifies the man who was instrumental in his assassination.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Spanky
I will just conlude by your emotional response that my comments were accurate and right on point. Nothing creats an emotional response like someone facing the truth when they don't want to hear it.

Truth hurts.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by andViolins
Did you catch Celine Dion rambling away on Larry King? Now THAT was a crazed emotional reponse.

aV

I missed it but I saw Elvis Costello Sunday night in Seattle and he was going off on what a crazy dumb ass she is. Now I have the context. Thanks.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Why would you assume that would not publish all of them? Or would publish only those comments related to the actual physical causes of his death? If he had words of praise for the life (outside of cancer) and/or career why would the Times have omitted them?

Good point. I think we should assume that anybody who was quoted in the New York Times in the last two days who was not quoted as praising the late Justice Rehnquist and who has not issued a written statement of praise is, in fact, classless.

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
A Dutch official was quoted today as being shocked that we left NO that poorly prepared. They have some massive wall system after extensive flooding in THE 30s.

High taxes and massive government regulation aren't all bad, hmmm?

But, we like limited government and low taxes in the Red States.

S_A_M

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Again, no benefit of the doubt for Bush but qualified criticism of the Democrat.

Isn't Nagin spinning like a top? The man who failed to call out the buses that could have saved/evacuated thousands profanely criticises Bush, but you can only say "its possible" he fucked up. Ask yourself if Bush had said, pre-levee breaking, publicly, "Its time for Mayor to get off his ass goddammit and get the fucking buses rolling". You and you're liberal blogsters would be howling.

Not having heard much that Nagin has said, I'm perfectly willing to believe that Nagin is spinning like a top. That wasn't qualified criticism -- I just don't know. But I do not live in Polarized World, and in my world it's possible that Nagin screwed up royally AND that the federal government screwed up as well.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
He had to wait for Blanco to request Federal help.

Is that true whenever the Coast Guard rescues a boater, or is there some special secret law that absolves a Republican president in these circumstances so long as a state or local official can be blamed?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Good point. I think we should assume that anybody who was quoted in the New York Times in the last two days who was not quoted as praising the late Justice Rehnquist and who has not issued a written statement of praise is, in fact, classless.

I think when someone dies, unless it is someone devoid of any redeeming humanity, eg Castro or Arafat, the polite thing is to offer praise. If you can't do that best to keep your mouth shut, although in Souter's case, in context, he has a duty to history and the public to make a comment. And he did. Classless.

Speaking of which, what do you think about Dersh-bag calling Rehnquist a "thug" within hours of his death? Classy?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Not having heard much that Nagin has said, I'm perfectly willing to believe that Nagin is spinning like a top. That wasn't qualified criticism -- I just don't know. But I do not live in Polarized World, and in my world it's possible that Nagin screwed up royally AND that the federal government screwed up as well.

Does chronological order matter? Nagin was the first responder, his failure set up the Feds opportunity to render a unacceptable performance.

FWIW, Nagin's latest spin:

After days of blaming the federal officials for not responding quickly enough to the Hurricane Katrina crisis, New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin praised President Bush on Monday - and charged that Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco had delayed federal rescue efforts by 24-hours.

"I'm so happy that the president came down here," Nagin said of Bush's Friday visit to Louisiana in an interview with CNN. "He came down and saw it, and he put a general on the field. His name is General Honore. And when he hit the field, we started to see action."

But Nagin had harsh words for his state's leaders, telling CNN: "What the state was doing, I don't frigging know. But I tell you, I am pissed. It wasn't adequate."


Or course no acceptance of any blame on his part. The dems are really pieces of work.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Penske_Account


Isn't Nagin spinning like a top? The man who failed to call out the buses that could have saved/evacuated thousands profanely criticises Bush, but you can only say "its possible" he fucked up.

Mark Morial* was on Meet the Press this weekend (along with others).

Among other things he mentioned, was that after their experience with Hurricane Georges in 1998, they realized 25% of the N.O. would refuse an evacuation order. Where was the city's plan to confront this reality?

*Former corrupt† Mayor of New Orleans

†This may be redundant.