All Hank, all the time.

[Adder]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch

*by "in particular" I mean not saying "killing is bad, whether done by bombers or doctors"

I am not going to do any research (what else is new, eh?) but i would be willing to bet that there was many a "Christian" church leader who said exactly that about Rudolph.

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Originally posted by taxwonk
Wouldn't internment camps be better? That way we could keep an eye on them. Plus think about how many jobs would be created.

On (3), just non-citizens? Or do we get rid of citizens who are Hezbollah (sp) supporters and whatnot? How do we identify them?

Is Hezbollah (sp) characterized as a terrorist group? Because I thought after 9/11 support fo terrorists is a crime, and that most non-citizens can be deported for crimes. So not necessarily seeing why we can't already do (3).

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
OK. I agree. But I don't think that any Muslim, or a Muslim MP, as such has the sufficiently tight relationship with the terrorists/criminals that you are getting at here such that they have some obligation to speak out.

Argh. I think you are being deliberately dense.

This is not about who has a "tight relationship" with the bombers. They are too far gone. The way to deal with them is a bullet.

This is about who has influence with the community from which those bombers come -- a frightfully large number of which seem to support those bombers.

Once again -- community leaders need to speak against the wrongful acts committed by members of their community and in the name of their community. Whether the community is a country, a faith, a political party, or whatever else. We have seen shamefully little of that from Muslim leaders.

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Solely? Slave said only 30%. And I said 1%, but 100% of the crazy 1% live there-

At this point I quit. You can't be this dense. You are nothing more than Penske, w/o the humor- or at least the crazed glint in the eye.

Ironically, in a coincidentally serendiptuous way, I was about to post that, despite the Bunifa fucking over, npi, that you could have my proxy on the issues of the day. I proactively excercise a prior rescindment of such intended proxy.

Why so much hate? Maybe the Imans of your community are affecting you? Is hate contagious?

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Adder
I am not going to do any research (what else is new, eh?) but i would be willing to bet that there was many a "Christian" church leader who said exactly that about Rudolph.

I am willing to bet that you are right. And I think that those leaders are at fault for such crimes.


And yet, I am also willing to bet that many more mainstream Christian leaders spoke out against Eric Rudolph and his ilk.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Argh. I think you are being deliberately dense.

This is not about who has a "tight relationship" with the bombers. They are too far gone. The way to deal with them is a bullet.

This is about who has influence with the community from which those bombers come -- a frightfully large number of which seem to support those bombers.

Once again -- community leaders need to speak against the wrongful acts committed by members of their community and in the name of their community. Whether the community is a country, a faith, a political party, or whatever else. We have seen shamefully little of that from Muslim leaders.

This business of attacking moderates for not speaking out more against extremists is not useful. I would suggest that attacking moderates for being on the side of terrorists does strengthen them, or induce them to speak out more. It does tend to lump them all together at a point when we ought to be finding ways to marginalize the extremists. And it's a sort of cheap talking point that the fighting keyboardists can use to prove how tough they are on terrorism. I agree that it would be a better world if the moderate Muslims spoke out more. If the question is, how do we strengthen moderates Muslims so that they will speak out more, I'm not sure what the right answer is, but I feel fairly comfortable that this isn't it.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
What % of people had to agree that Penske was a net-negative before RT kicked him off? I want to be upfront with you. I am starting a petition and need to know how many names I need to get.

My understanding was that there was no threshold number, but the final tally on the petition was 71%, although that included my socks.

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w/r/t slave's statement about peopel who want to cut off his head on TV, I think he's safe from that if he doesn't leave the US. Whoever suggested he leave the greater SF area is correct -- I fear for his sanity/heart attack risk if he stays. Maybe one of the wilder areas of Colorado? Perhaps adjacent to some white supremacist organization? I don't think he's white supremacist; I just would like to see how much his opinions on stuff are really reactions to what he sees going on in his immediate vicinity.

Ditto for Penske.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Your song and dance is lame, and reflects a serious lack of anything serious to say.

And your song and dance and that of your pals from the blogosphere remains seriously out of touch with the American populace, which will again be shown to y'all, whether you can absorb the lesson or not, come November.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
And your song and dance and that of your pals from the blogosphere remains seriously out of touch with the American populace, which will again be shown to y'all, whether you can absorb the lesson or not, come November.

We shall see. I prefer to blame the messengers, not the message.

eta: If I wanted my thoughts to be accepted and ratified by the voters, I would run for office. I prefer to hang out here instead. I understand that "the left doesn't understand terror" may work well as a political attack, but I'm sick of answering such crap here. If you want to spout that crap to people who will applaud, go hang out with the freepers.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
w/r/t slave's statement about peopel who want to cut off his head on TV, I think he's safe from that if he doesn't leave the US. Whoever suggested he leave the greater SF area is correct -- I fear for his sanity/heart attack risk if he stays. Maybe one of the wilder areas of Colorado? Perhaps adjacent to some white supremacist organization? I don't think he's white supremacist; I just would like to see how much his opinions on stuff are really reactions to what he sees going on in his immediate vicinity.

Ditto for Penske.

Are we on break again? If not I feel that this full frontal assault is uncalled for.

[Adder]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
I am willing to bet that you are right. And I think that those leaders are at fault for such crimes.


And yet, I am also willing to bet that many more mainstream Christian leaders spoke out against Eric Rudolph and his ilk.

I just don't have the means to know. I suspect that you are probably right both about Muslim leaders and about these, but I really am not in a position to know what is being said at pupits across the country and world on the daily basis.

But I am sure that it is far less likely to be reported in the press that an imam condemned all terrorism than if he were to do the opposite.

[Adder]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
w/r/t slave's statement about peopel who want to cut off his head on TV, I think he's safe from that if he doesn't leave the US. Whoever suggested he leave the greater SF area is correct -- I fear for his sanity/heart attack risk if he stays. Maybe one of the wilder areas of Colorado? Perhaps adjacent to some white supremacist organization? I don't think he's white supremacist; I just would like to see how much his opinions on stuff are really reactions to what he sees going on in his immediate vicinity.

Ditto for Penske.

From this point forward, you shall be known as Tip O'Fringey.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
We shall see. I prefer to blame the messengers, not the message.

I prefer a culture of reasoned consensus, rather than one of blame. Why does the left have to be so confrontational and negatively hateful?

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop


eta: If I wanted my thoughts to be accepted and ratified by the voters, I would run for office. I prefer to hang out here instead. I understand that "the left doesn't understand terror" may work well as a political attack, but I'm sick of answering such crap here. If you want to spout that crap to people who will applaud, go hang out with the freepers.

I think what Slave and Hank (notwithstanding the l'affaire d' Bunifa) and Bilmoure, and Club, and Spanky, tse, are trying to point out is that it is hard for us to reach a reasoned consensus when the leftists here refuse to acknowledge an intelligent understanding of the terror threat. One of the key problems that many of the foregoing continue to point out is that relying on the simplistic and false rhetoric of the Kossacks and their comrades in the leftwing blogosphere poisons your minds to the truth of what is happening in the world and our homeland.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Adder
From this point forward, you shall be known as Tip O'Fringey.

the first few times I read this my mind's eye saw "Tit O'fringey".