Fashion Board 12-09-03 through 1-08-04

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
There's a staggering amount of secret (poor word choice) meaning in Shakespeare. Or more precisely, double meaning.

I've taken that class, and I think you're confusing double entendres with secret meanings. I doubt very highly Shakespeare was weaving any secret messages regarding lesbian persecution into his works. Maybe he hid a few political jibes, but they were minimal at best. Its "pop music", brother, but kudos to the worthless Phds who'vve made a living dissecting it.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by spookyfish
Even at his most strung out, I don't think Keith ever slept with men. Jagger did sleep with David Bowie, or so it was said. Possibly Pete Townshend, too, although I think Townshend might have said he just wanted to fuck him.

Keith has never fucked or been fucked by a man. Jagger was allegedly caught in bed with Bowie by one of his wives. And allegedly Lou Reed did some eperimenting, but that's pretty unconfirmed.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by paigowprincess
You're like a child who wanders in and out of conversations.

You say this like its revelatory.

[notcasesensitive]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Keith has never fucked or been fucked by a man.

How do you know this? You have a spy camera following his activities?

[robustpuppy]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Its "pop music", brother, but kudos to the worthless Phds who'vve made a living dissecting it.

Hey! Don't disparage my discarded dream. If I'd had a reasonable expectation of actually making a living dissecting Shakespeare or any other great of the Western canon, baby, I would have been there. But some student loan debt to projected income ratios just don't make sense. So, I'm a worthless JD instead of a worthless PhD.

Of course, in making the financial calculations I failed to consider the value of the hot young undergraduate opportunities at all the different universities (community colleges?) at which I would have been stringing together teaching gigs. Sigh.

[spookyfish]

So, I'm driving home last night, and the radio station I'm listening to starts playing this new single by the band Live, and it occurs to me. I hate that band. I mean really, really hate them. Hate them with the fire of a thousand suns.

Why, you may ask? They suck the ass. Every song I've ever heard by them, without exception, is a bloated, pompous bag of crap. They're like Rush without the musicianship.

So I change the station. The other station is playing a song by, you guessed it -- Live.

What the fuck is the appeal of this band, and for what reason, other than "radio sucks", do they get so much freaking airplay? Does payola still exist? Do they have compromising pictures of the two or three brain-dead chimps responsible for programming the majority of radio stations in this country? Can someone please tell me, why, for the love of God, this band even has a career?

(Dammit -- No XM this X-Mas)

[EOR]

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
I take it you slept through the subtext lecture when you were working on your creative writing degree?

No, I just think that sort of analysis is gay. Each person takes a little something different from art. Dissecting it like a scientist and trying to prove that you know the "real meaning" behind it means you're not content to appreciate the art on the simple merits of how it affects you. In short, you're more enomored with your powers of analysis than the art, and accordingly, you suck.

Criticize art all you like, but please, don't be a pompous ass and try to tell others what the art "really means." Sure, if you have some worthwhile historical fact which may add some context to the work, by all means, tell me. But if all you've got is some tenuous explanation of what the third act of Hamlet REALLY means based on some shlock you heard in a seminar, do me a favor and bite your lip and fetch me a drink.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by spookyfish


Does payola still exist?

Yes, although it's called "vertical integration" and "joint venturing" now. Although I'm sure Str8 can set us str8.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by notcasesensitive
How do you know this? You have a spy camera following his activities?

Keef's a bedrock. He's too simple to be bisexual. If he's bi, Clint Eastwood's bi, and if Clint's bi, well, hell... I might just have to try this bi thing.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by robustpuppy
Hey! Don't disparage my discarded dream. If I'd had a reasonable expectation of actually making a living dissecting Shakespeare or any other great of the Western canon, baby, I would have been there. But some student loan debt to projected income ratios just don't make sense. So, I'm a worthless JD instead of a worthless PhD.

Of course, in making the financial calculations I failed to consider the value of the hot young undergraduate opportunities at all the different universities (community colleges?) at which I would have been stringing together teaching gigs. Sigh.

Write the fucking poems; don't analyze someone else's.

But yes, like every man alive, I have dreamt of being a professor and sleeping with cute young students.

[purse junkie]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
subtext rant

Well said. I also think these analyses often speak volumes about the quality of the underlying art. If two black-garbed pretentious fuckheads are arguing over whether the wobbling grey streaks on a black canvas are a metaphor for the soullessness of modern industrialized society or merely an abstract of the Pittsburgh skyline, it's a fair bet the entire thing's meaningless talentless crap.

And the whole "what does this pop song really mean" thing seems ridiculous. Some drug-addled guitar god is lucky he can string text together vaguely coherently--subtext I think is near-impossible.

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

...just makes me think of Will Farrell on SNL (as Harry Carey):

Harry Caray: Hey! How bout this mad cow disease.

Dr. Ken Waller: What about it.

Harry Caray: Well it was here for a while then it went away.

Dr. Ken Waller: Yes! Yes! it was in the news for a while then it disappeared.

Harry Caray: Good point! I hope I never get it. Hey! What about this. If you had the choice of being the top scientist in your field or getting mad cow disease what would it be.

Dr. Ken Waller: well! Of course I would choose to be the the top scientist in my field.

Harry Caray: Oh good! I was worried you'd choose mad cow.

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
No, I just think that sort of analysis is gay.

I am confused by your words.

You say the type of analysis is gay, and then you speak about it as if it is a bad thing.

Is there some negative context to gay about which I am unaware.

This negative context is not the common usage on this board, which is a bit redundant, as common usage for me necessarily implies [on the Lawtalkers > LawTalk Forums > General Discussion > The Fashionable > Fashion Board thread].

It is been suggested to me via a super secret hush hush instant messaging electronic communication forum that you may be suffering from mirror image syndrome. Is this the case? Do not worry. If you say no, I will understand that you really mean yes. I am sympathetic to your syndrome and am here to help.

[spookyfish]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Keef's a bedrock. He's too simple to be bisexual. If he's bi, Clint Eastwood's bi, and if Clint's bi, well, hell... I might just have to try this bi thing.

Wondering why this image just popped into my head:



"John Wayne was a fag."

[robustpuppy]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Write the fucking poems; don't analyze someone else's.

That would be a good philosophy if all poets, playwrights, and authors taught others how to read their work. Many people need to be taught how to understand literature (the actual text, let alone the context and subtext), just like they need to be taught how to look at art, listen to music, and the like. If everyone could be an autodidact, we wouldn't need liberal arts colleges, and then where would everyone learn to drop acid and eat shrooms?