Fashion Board 3-5-04 to 4-6-04

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by dtb
I am the one who asked my husband who Robert Plant is (I have never seen him look so astonished -- I think what was going through his head was "who IS this person?").

What was going through his head was "I can't believe that I sleep with this person."

[bilmore]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
The Doors have some great moments, but Morrison was embarrassing. "The End," however, is a great tune.

The Doors are great when you're 18 walking through the academic quad on House Party Weekend with a head full of chemicals, beer in one hand, frisbee in the other, and you hear something trippy like "love Street" float out of a dorm window and think "Ah, pretty... so pretty." Their first record was also great for late night fiascos where you feel your pulse in your head and wish the sun wouldn't come up again. Hearing the Doors now just reinforces the distance you feel from those days. The Doors are too much... like Floyd's The Wall. You just can't listen to it with adult ears.

A few of these bands, and their work, really need to be understood and listened to in the context of when they were doing the work. The Doors were, in fact, influential and new and exciting back when they were playing. Now, examining them in today's context, having in the unconcious mind all who came later and were influenced by them, they might not seem so noteworthy, but they were.

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop
I'm going to have to add this to the list of Things I'll Never Really Understand. I'll put it right below how anti-perspirant works, and right above Gilbert Godfried.

I nominate sunscreen. That shit is witchcraft.

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
Yeh, well, I pretty much agree with all of this, and already said so, but want to keep fighting, so maybe you should listen to some of that Doors stuff again instead of just watching a movie. Until you've stared at woodgrain for three hours listening to Riders on the Storm over and over, you won't really understand.

When I was in highschool, I was camping in southwest Texas, outside Ft. Davis, and in the middle of the night, a freak thunderstorm came through. We were camping on the other side of an arroyo that was rapidly flooding, and we made the frenzied decision at three in the morning to break camp, load the cars and head to San Antonio, which was about 6 hours away. I was deputized to drive, and as soon as we hit the highway, everyone else in the car crashed. The only tape in the car was The Doors Greatest Hits.

I very sleepily, with some of the after affects of the night before likely running through my bloodstream, drove 400 miles from Ft. Davis to San Antonio, through desolate desert country listening to the Doors Greatest Hits over and over and over. It's as close to hypnotized as I've ever been, and I can say that while the experience was interesting, it's not something I'd ever want to repeat. Perhaps I missed some crucial element by not being on a hallucinogen at the time, though I'd argue the mindnumbingboringness of I-10 at four in the morning on very little sleep can do fucked up things to the mind. The Doors Greatest Hits on repeat during a sleep deprived drive through the desert pretty much cured me of any and all fascination with the Doors.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
I nominate sunscreen. That shit is witchcraft.

It's rare to be able to so enrich a life with so little effort:

http://travel.howstuffworks.com/sunscreen4.htm

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
Exactly my point. We only had about a half dozen years of music from the Doors and the Jimi Hendrix Experience, and if you compare year for year, they're as good as or better than the Stones.

But, the Stones kept it going for a long time, 15-20 years of great music, another 20 of often pretty good music. That's what gets them on the list ahead of, for example, the Doors.

You can also compare the first five years of Grace Slick and The Great Society/Jefferson Airplane to the early years of the Stones; then, of course, the Stones get even better and Airplane does what Airplane did. (Raising the question of the greatest crash and burn in Rock history?)

Well, I don't think any of us were on acid in the late 60's hearing the Airplane/ Hendrix/ early Stones as new. I would say that the Stones have far more songs from that period that I would listen to today than either the Airplane or Hendrix. With the exception that if I ever go do acid again, I'll try and listen to the Experience or the Airplane, depending on whether its agresssive or mellow acid-

Best radio format is the question-
some station in Anapolis played (plays?) punk/alternative, but also good early rock- it was the bestest format I've ever heard. Most stations playing P/A wouldn't touch "the Stones", but you know what Street Fighting Man or Satisfaction released today would be a great "new" song.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Well, I don't think any of us were on acid in the late 60's hearing the Airplane/ Hendrix/ early Stones as new.

ummm . . . .

[notcasesensitive]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
Your poll, should you choose to accept it: Have a presently performing band cover a classic album of your choice.

Radiohead performing The Final Cut (Pink Floyd). Actually The Bends is not so far removed from that (minus some of the political content).

[Oliver_Wendell_Ramone]

Originally posted by bilmore
A few of these bands, and their work, really need to be understood and listened to in the context of when they were doing the work. The Doors were, in fact, influential and new and exciting back when they were playing. Now, examining them in today's context, having in the unconcious mind all who came later and were influenced by them, they might not seem so noteworthy, but they were.

Very good point. By illustration, I'm a big Beatles fan, and I rank Rubber Soul and Revolver way ahead of Pepper. But, I can see why Pepper makes no. 1 on so many lists, based on its impact at the time.

[str8outavannuys]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
Apparently MTV has a project called "Album Covers" in which they ask current bands to cover an entire classic album. So far, they've had Dashboard Confessional (ick) cover REM's "Automatic for the People (1992)" with Michael Stipe sitting in, and they had Guster (yay)* cover "Violent Femmes (1982)" with Gordon Gano and Brian Ritchie sitting in. The results are apparently on an MTV2 show and are available for purchase on iTunes.

Your poll, should you choose to accept it: Have a presently performing band cover a classic album of your choice.

This shows a shocking lack of imagination, but I would like to hear The Darkness cover "Frampton Comes Alive." I may think of others as the day progresses.

*I have loved Guster since they pranked the entire community of KaZaa users by releasing the "Meow Mix," a fake version of their album to deter piracy of the real release. The lyrics were all substituted by a guy singing "meow" over and over again.

Nobody's going to agree with me on this one, but I'll go with Belle & Sebastian doing Sgt. Pepper. Out of anyone I can think of, they'd best be able to replicate all the studio stuff going on on that album. Stuart Murdoch and Stevie Jackson could vocally pull of doing John and Paul, respectively, but adding a unique indie-gay-Scottish flava to the whole thing.

Second choice would be Jack & Meg doing In Utero.

[dtb]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
What was going through his head was "I can't believe that I sleep with this person."

You are wrong, let me assure you. (I can call mr.dtb as a witness if you remain unconvinced.)

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
Your poll, should you choose to accept it: Have a presently performing band cover a classic album of your choice.

I generally detest covers. What's the point of listening to an imitator try to imitate a great album?

Covers are worthwhile only when the covering artist transforms the original into something distinct. Bowie's cover of "Let's Spend the Night Together," for example. Or Aztec Two-Step (I think that was the name) doing Van Halen's "Jump." In contrast, Van Halen's cover of the Kinks cover of Pretty Woman was utterly pointless.

Thus, my poll response. I would like to see Outkast do a cover of Zoso.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by dtb
You are wrong, let me assure you. (I can call mr.dtb as a witness if you remain unconvinced.)

Just because the question may have been quickly (and perhaps vigorously) answered doesn't mean it wasn't asked.

Unless you mean to say that you and Mr. Bill weren't sleeping together at the time.....

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by bilmore
ummm . . . .

Trying to remember if you were?

Careful. If you can remember, then you weren't.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Covers are worthwhile only when the covering artist transforms the original into something distinct. Bowie's cover of "Let's Spend the Night Together," for example. Or Aztec Two-Step (I think that was the name) doing Van Halen's "Jump." In contrast, Van Halen's cover of the Kinks cover of Pretty Woman was utterly pointless.

Listen, then, to Easy Star's All Stars do "Dub Side of the Moon." Awesome stuff, making it an entirely new concept.