Nutjobs Ranting About Politics.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
Yes, there is a lot here that is about fear, but I expect leaders, like Bush, and people with the analytical ability of Bilmore, Club, et al. not to succomb to that fear and let it overcome their good sense. The lists like the one Bilmore put together are wonderful rhetorical devices, but are getting used here as a way to avoid debate and appeal to emotion. I have a disdain for that approach; it is the Not Me/Hank approach.

Okay, now this is just stoopid. A list is only a rhetorical device when you don't like where it points. In the other universe, a list of such events is a showing of empirical evidence that a common thread binds Islamicists all around the world, and that that thread is made up of their willingness to murder and terrorize at the behest of their god. Shall I ignore that evidence and pretend that I hold respect for their point of view?

Have disdain, maybe, for a defensive thinking that attempts to label any thought process that includes members of discrete groups, because of their membership in those groups, as being racist.

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
He put the war elsewhere. Sure, our shit is highly vulnerable, but the gamble is that Queda's resources are spread now. Iraq is the flytrap for a lot of the people who'd otherwise focus energy on striking our shores. Why leave the front line on our beaches when we can place it smack in the center of the Arab world? Is this a wise policy? There's only one way we'll find out.

I would have centered our focus around the actual group of people who attacked us, that's all.

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I have no horse in this race, but I can think of no two groups I'd rather see fight to the death than the Southern Baptist Convention and Radical Islam.

Your wish is coming true.

S_A_M

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
Wasn't invading Iraq supposed to lessen terrorism, not increase it?

Yes, GGG, but only AFTER it all calms down, which may take another year or ten. {Get with the program, man!}

The Administration acknowledges that it misunderestimated the time, effort, and money it will require to make it all better, so just get off their backs. Honest mistake.

S_A_M

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
Your wish is coming true.

Cool. To which group did the WTC occupants belong?

How about the hundreds of butchered Russian kids?

Or the Bali partiers?

Or the Nigerian taxidrivers?

Or the . . . . .

(A direct fight would be nice, I think.)

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
PA will go Democrat. Fast Eddy will bring it in. Trust me... Philly will get 95% voter turnout in every important Dem district. Pittsburgh's economy is faltering - it will also go Dem.

The battle will be FL and OH. Ohio bores me, so I don't read about it, but I hear its close. FL will be interesting. Jeb better get that federal hurricane money pouring in asap. I also wonder how many voting machines/voting facilities in FL were damaged by the hurricanes...

OH is close, but the Kerry campaign feels good about the state. Everything you say about Pittsburgh's economy applies equally to most of Ohio -- possibly balancing out native convervatism in almost all areas outside of the city limits of Cleveland and Cincinnati.

S_A_M

[Not Bob]

Bush Blames 'Junk Lawsuits' for Job Woes (yahoo)

I am a defense lawyer. And even I don't believe this. Why, bilmore, why?

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by bilmore
You give me one bombing by a nutcase backed by no organization.

You're avoiding answering his question by saying that your points should not lead to his question.

While you're probably right about the lack of participation of others in the OK City bombing, you're not quite right to say McVeigh was "backed by no organization." How do you think he met Terry Nichols?

You're probably well up on this point, but if not, take a quick "Google" of the term "Christian Identity". What Taxwonk seems to be asking is whether we should now, or should have then, taken violent action against all those Americans in, affiliated with, or supporting that movement after the OK City bombings. [Or, perhaps, a mostly separate group -- all those Americans who quietly support the murder of doctors who commit abortions.]

Taxwonk may not know, (or it may not be relevant to his point) that a combination of government infiltration, economic recovery, and forcible federal responses against certain goups drained much of the life out of the Christian Identity movement in the late 1990s. Still, his question remains: Should we kill them all to keep the movement from rising again?

S_A_M

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Not Bob
Bush Blames 'Junk Lawsuits' for Job Woes (yahoo)

I am a defense lawyer. And even I don't believe this. Why, bilmore, why?

I note that the article talks about Kerry's same-day theme being to end tax breaks for outsourcers.

All I can surmise is that today is "how goofy can we get?" Day.

Now, stop asking me about this shit.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Not Bob
Bush Blames 'Junk Lawsuits' for Job Woes (yahoo)

I am a defense lawyer. And even I don't believe this. Why, bilmore, why?

And I think he's going to balance the budget by suing the trial lawyers for $2.29 trillion.

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by bilmore
Cool. To which group did the WTC occupants belong?

How about the hundreds of butchered Russian kids?

Or the Bali partiers?

Or the Nigerian taxidrivers?

Or the . . . . .

(A direct fight would be nice, I think.)

WTF?

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
Should we kill them all to keep the movement from rising again?

As I've already stated, the sheer length of my list seems to indicate that we don't take precipitate action. Wonk seemed to think that was an inapposite point, but it directly responds to the exact point that you make. There is no need to take the kind of action against an already-dead movement that was, very loosely, affiliated with one bombing, that I suggest should be taken against a movement with decades of well-organized butchery. Once the CI people can brag of their own list of atrocities to rival Islamicists, let's talk.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
WTF?

You seemed to imply a fight between our fundies and their fundies.

I would pay to see that.

However, while our fundies have bake sales, their fundies massacre non-combatants.

I find that sort of relativism amusing.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally posted by bilmore
I, like Pony, would kill "them all". I would define "them all" differently, though, limiting the group to all who participate, help, support, cheer on, and even those who remain silent but perfectly willing to accept the world domination of Islam should the Islamicists prevail. Unfortunately, they don't all wear signifying funny hats.

Here is the MOPotD.

The one that leads me to remain silent but perfectly willing to accept Wonk's labeling your thinking as racist.

Think, man, think.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
Here is the MOPotD.

The one that leads me to remain silent but perfectly willing to accept Wonk's labeling your thinking as racist.

Think, man, think.

Okay, I did.

What I think is that you are completely avoiding the point, and making up your own.

For your sake, I hope it's willful.