Politics: Onward from New Hampshire

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop
According to the Washington Post, you are wrong:

Not an accountant, but isn't "contingent" a meaningful word in his post?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by bilmore
NATIONAL REVIEW POSTS EARLY EXITS:

AZ Kerry 46, Clark 24, Dean 13
MO Kerry 52, Edwards 23, Dean 10
SC Edwards 44, Kerry 30, Sharpton 10
OK Edwards 31, Kerry 29, Clark 28
DE Kerry 47, Dean 14, Lieberman 11, Edwards 11

Say goodnight, Howard.

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop
According to the Washington Post, you are wrong:

• Bush's budget will include no additional funding for operations in Iraq and Afghanistan beyond Sept. 30, an omission that both Democrats and Republicans are questioning.

I didn't say it was a line item, I said it was highlighted (i.e., disclosed). The director of OMB also has said that they will not need any additional amounts for Iraq/Afgan until '05.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop
Say goodnight, Howard.

Not necessarily. Howard's fans tend to be angrier than the others. So, they end up going to bed later, (the anger keeps them awake), and sleeping later. Rising shortly after three pm, they're just now starting to think about voting. So, he may have a late surge.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by sgtclub
I didn't say it was a line item, I said it was highlighted (i.e., disclosed). The director of OMB also has said that they will not need any additional amounts for Iraq/Afgan until '05.

You and I know we will need to spend more money after September '04, regardless of what Bolten says. And, do tell, how was it "highlighted" or "disclosed." What is your source here?

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop
You and I know we will need to spend more money after September '04, regardless of what Bolten says. And, do tell, how was it "highlighted" or "disclosed." What is your source here?

I don't know that. I am basing my info on news reports and the Dir of OMB's press conference yesterday, where he stated he was confident that the appropriations bill passed at the end of '03 will suffice through '04.

It was highlighted/disclosed in the budget itself, though these are non-budgeted items. Sourse is same as above.

[sgtclub]

Does anybody believe this is a good use of our tax dollars?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by sgtclub
I don't know that. I am basing my info on news reports and the Dir of OMB's press conference yesterday, where he stated he was confident that the appropriations bill passed at the end of '03 will suffice through '04.

It was highlighted/disclosed in the budget itself, though these are non-budgeted items. Sourse is same as above.

Whatever. If you think you heard Josh Bolten* say that the budget is not misleading, it must not be misleading, right? Based on your own posts about the Administration's approach to finances, I would have thought you'd be less gullible. What was it Reagan said the Russians said? Trust, but verify?


* Director of OMB and a senior White House official. From today's NYT:

• Mr. Bolten is the most powerful person in the Bush administration that most people have never heard of. As Mr. Bush's policy director in the 2000 presidential campaign, he helped create the economic program he is now carrying out. As the White House deputy chief of staff, his job until June, he effectively took economic policy away from Lawrence B. Lindsey, Mr. Bush's former chief economic adviser, who was fired, along with Treasury Secretary Paul H. O'Neill, in late 2002. At the Office of Management and Budget, Mr. Bolten replaced Mitchell E. Daniels Jr., who resigned to run for governor of Indiana.
  
  Mr. Bolten has attributes that have served him well in the Bush White House: discretion, organizational ability, political sophistication and, above all, allegiance to the president.

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by sgtclub
I agree that they should have made some assumptions and included them, I don't think the $50 billion is material given the size of the budget.

Not material!?! That's not the government's money, it's the people's money!

{G-d d-mn liberal!}

S_A_M

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop
Say goodnight, Howard.

'Bye Joe!

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop
Whatever. If you think you heard Josh Bolten* say that the budget is not misleading, it must not be misleading, right? Based on your own posts about the Administration's approach to finances, I would have thought you'd be less gullible. What was it Reagan said the Russians said? Trust, but verify?

Dude, you overreached, just admit it. I didn't here him say it wasn't misleading, I heard him say it was not a budgeted item and the fact that it was not a budgeted item was disclosed in the budget iteself and, incidently, in the press conference. If it was disclosed, how can it be misleading?

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
Not material!?! That's not the government's money, it's the people's money!

{G-d d-mn liberal!}

S_A_M

I am most certainly a liberal, in the classic meaning of the word.

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by sgtclub
Does anybody believe this is a good use of our tax dollars?

Maybe not, but I think that the FCC almost _has_ to investigate how a pierced nipple ended up on broadcast TV. (i.e. Investigate before they start levying punishments). It's part of their mandate -- and surely even small-government folks would agree that we need a federal regulator to enforce standards in licensing for the public airwaves.

S_A_M

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by sgtclub
Dude, you overreached, just admit it. I didn't here him say it wasn't misleading, I heard him say it was not a budgeted item and the fact that it was not a budgeted item was disclosed in the budget iteself and, incidently, in the press conference. If it was disclosed, how can it be misleading?

Dude, if I overreached, I'm willing to admit it, but I'm not admitting anything based on "I heard Bolten say it was kosher at a press conference." Link me to something so I can see what he said myself. I wouldn't buy a used car from that man, and I take it you wouldn't either.

And even if he disclosed something in the press conference, the fact is that they are throwing around budget numbers that don't include costs we know with an absolute certainty we will face.* Maybe that's not lying -- I'd have to see what the document say -- but at the very least it's intentionally misleading.

* You say Bolten says we won't need more money this year; the WaPo says Dems and GOPsters in Congress view it differently.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
Maybe not, but I think that the FCC almost _has_ to investigate how a pierced nipple ended up on broadcast TV. (i.e. Investigate before they start levying punishments). It's part of their mandate -- and surely even small-government folks would agree that we need a federal regulator to enforce standards in licensing for the public airwaves.

Maybe club's point is that we would all be better off if this were treated as a strict liability offense. CBS gets nailed, and it can fight with MTV, Jackson and Timberlake about who ultimately bears the liability, presumably a question of the contracts between them all.