Making Baby Jesus Cry

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
You have yet to offer a single cite to evidence supporting your non-dumbassery. Ty is observing the Marquis of Lawtalkers Rules. He raised raised an allegation - you are a dumbass. Until you refute that assertion with solid evidence, you are assumed a dumbass. You risk a default judgment of dumbassery with these frivolous motions to dismiss. The Court does not recognize Mr. Penn’s dumbassery as either precedential or relevant.

I need you to be the judge in the case with the wacko pro se guy. Thanks!

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by baltassoc
Caveat: I have no idea who has donated what except for the few people who have sent me information directly.

$1060. That's what's been raised. And $200 of that was from me.

WTF is wrong with you people? You bitch about the mayor, the governor, the president, Sean Penn, Oprah, but what have you done?

(Obviously, this does not apply to those who have donated in non-monetary ways or who have otherwise provided assistance to organizations or individuals in need - but you know who you are.)

Donating to charities is, for many, a private function.

[Nut Case, Sensitive]

Originally posted by Spanky
The Mayor of New Orleans is incompetant. There is just no question. You just need to compare his response to this crisis with Rudy Giuliani. After the planes hit the towers Giuliani took charge. He didn't start blaming the federal government for not preventing this, he didn't start saying he wasn't given enough help, he just went in and did the job.

Pataki and Bush were required to do stuff, but Giulian took control and got it done.

Bush did not ask to federalize all the resources in New York City because the job was getting done. Bush asked to federalize all the resources in NO because the job was not getting done. If the job had been getting done, then Bush would have been out of line in trying to change the pitcher.

You may be able to blame Bush later not making sure the levees were solid (just like the federal government could be blamed for the failure of intelligence in 9-11) but the post disaster response was clearly in the hands of the mayor. The man on cite. And he screwed it up.

Any defense of the Mayor is pure partisan B.S. He was faced with a crisis and he did not act.

OK, Nutso. Usually I don't get involved in this stuff, and just mutter "nuts" under my breath at all appropriate places. But query me a few things.

What resources were at the control of the mayor? How were those resources affected by the disaster?

What resources are at the control of the Governor or of Bush? How were each set of resources affected by the disaster?

Now, what was needed to do the job?

Sorry your boy didn't get his engraved invitation.

BTW, Have you coughed up your nut yet?

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Perhaps. I took the hyundai escapade to be proof that vehicle traffic to downtown N.O. was not impossible, and that therefore there was no excuse for not sending lots of vehicle traffic, specifically food and water trucks, or buses, to downtown N.O.

Your rejoinder to which is that army convoys couldn't have done similar things because they'd be mobbed by looters? I don't really see the logic. The argument as I understand it is not that they would've had to mow down pedestrians in order to reach the convention center and other places, it was some combination of bureaucratic fuckups, but for which the Natl Guard convoy clearly would've arrived on, say, Tuesday. Right?

The advice that my mom gave me when I was younger--always be sure to have enough for everyone when you share--applies with particular force here.

So if you couldn't fit 8 million bottles of water in your trunk, stay the fuck away? Damn, that's cold.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
You give both too much credit. Giuliani saw political opportunity in directing recovery. Nagin sees it in casting the spotlight upstream.

Exactly. Another difference is Guiliani had no more profit motive. The more Nagin kicks and screams, the more he is the martyr and the less people will examine his fuckups. Then when the real money to rebuild starts coming in, Nagin and his cronies will get .10 on the dollar........ .20.... higher?

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Gattigap

So if you couldn't fit 8 million bottles of water in your trunk, stay the fuck away? Damn, that's cold.

Given the "order" with which the buses were loaded, I could understand the desire to have a plan other than "nab a press pass and find some backroads in"

[Nut Case, Sensitive]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Exactly. Another difference is Guiliani had no more profit motive. The more Nagin kicks and screams, the more he is the martyr and the less people will examine his fuckups. Then when the real money to rebuild starts coming in, Nagin and his cronies will get .10 on the dollar........ .20.... higher?

There's plenty of blame to go around.

It's nice that Halliburton already has a contract.

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski

Let me be among the first to congratulate you on your new avatar. That juxtaposition of your face, a hurricane evocative of Katrina, and your devil-may-care posting style? Oh, you rascal!

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
You have yet to offer a single cite to evidence supporting your non-dumbassery. Ty is observing the Marquis of Lawtalkers Rules. He raised raised an allegation - you are a dumbass. Until you refute that assertion with solid evidence, you are assumed a dumbass. You risk a default judgment of dumbassery with these frivolous motions to dismiss. The Court does not recognize Mr. Penn’s dumbassery as either precedential or relevant.

I have asked all of the libs here who defend Nagin and Blanco to explain why 250 plus buses were never put into use to evacuate the populace 48 hours before Katrina. No answer. By your equation the libs are all dumbasses. As we suspected.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Nut Case, Sensitive
There's plenty of blame to go around.

It's nice that Halliburton already has a contract.

Cheney planned the levee break to increase his profits?

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Given the "order" with which the buses were loaded, I could understand the desire to have a plan other than "nab a press pass and find some backroads in"

I've not read about the logistics of getting people on the buses, but infer from your comment that it was a fucking mess, and would not be surprised.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Nut Case, Sensitive


What resources were at the control of the mayor? How were those resources affected by the disaster?

1) As the Hurricane approached he should have mobilized his resources and should have been prepared for the flooding.

2) Once the flooding did occur he still had manpower (all city employees). He also needed to immediately ask for the national guard and federal assistance. That should have happened immediately after the levee ruptured. It is my understanding this did not happen.

3) His attention 24/7 should be on fixing the problem. If he is interviewed on TV it should be just telling people what to do and what needs to be done. He should not be talking about blame, or doing a debriefing while lives are still at risk. He also should not be defending himself. He just needs to act. As far as I can tell he is not doing that.

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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Given the "order" with which the buses were loaded, I could understand the desire to have a plan other than "nab a press pass and find some backroads in"

Are they saying that they didn't get transport in sooner than Friday because of worries about this? Or is this your post hoc on the situation? I suspect the latter. And things would have been far more orderly had they started getting people out Tues/Weds.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Given the "order" with which the buses were loaded, I could understand the desire to have a plan other than "nab a press pass and find some backroads in"

You think an army convoy would have been turned away for not having a press pass?

There were roads in. The army is supposed to be good at maintaining order.

Although waiting until enough people die so that you can carry enough to share with everybody is another valid approach, I'm sure.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Nut Case, Sensitive
There's plenty of blame to go around.

And it starts with Nagin and Blanco as the first responders. Why can't the liberals admit this?

Originally posted by Nut Case, Sensitive


It's nice that Halliburton already has a contract.

I'd take Halliburton's input (at a cost) over anything Admiral Penn is going to do. That's the difference between Republicans and dEmos. Republicans offer organizational leadership, the dems are bunch of screaming mee mees.

Also, fwiw, btw, as someone who was once the king of socks, the mark of a good schtick sock is staying focused. You were fine as a ncs stalker sock, your input here is slightly less useful than SHP, and that is saying something.