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Old 04-11-2007, 02:57 PM   #3751
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You do know that there are three judges per panel on federal appellate courts?
Easterbrook, Bauer, Woods.

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Old 04-11-2007, 03:01 PM   #3752
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You do know that there are three judges per panel on federal appellate courts?
we you start an oral argument, what do you have to say right at first? you don't know? then stop with the sarcasm.

My point was there political axes all over a case like this, and Sebby's hyperbole aside- a jury conviction kind of makes a big difference from the Duke case.
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we you start an oral argument, what do you have to say right at first? you don't know? then stop with the sarcasm.

My point was there political axes all over a case like this, and Sebby's hyperbole aside- a jury conviction kind of makes a big difference from the Duke case.
Federal Circuit Court judges -- well known for public grinding of political axes. Easterbrook and Bauer -- TOTAL freaky screaming lefty liberals. Clearly, your apparent point that Wood, due to her extreme Demo prejudice, caused the court to get the chick out of jail was valid. No question.

It is totally unconnected to the Duke thing, though, and not sure why Ty made any connection between them.
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Old 04-11-2007, 03:17 PM   #3754
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Federal Circuit Court judges -- well known for public grinding of political axes. Easterbrook and Bauer -- TOTAL freaky screaming lefty liberals. Clearly, your apparent point that Wood, due to her extreme Demo prejudice, caused the court to get the chick out of jail was valid. No question.

It is totally unconnected to the Duke thing, though, and not sure why Ty made any connection between them.
Wait a minute. I google the one Judge named and point out her political roots- then make the point that a jury convicted the person anyway, and you insult me and give Ty a pass for tying this to duke? A fucking jury convicted her- BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT.

I know you know lots of guys that like to get hurt, but I ain't one of them.

And just for your information, US Federal Judges are often extremely politically biased. how do you think a Federal Judge gets to be a Federal Judge?
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Old 04-11-2007, 03:19 PM   #3755
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I've looked into it:
  • Wood, Diane Pamela
    Born 1950 in Plainfield, NJ

    Federal Judicial Service:
    Judge, U. S. Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit
    Nominated by William J. Clinton on March 31, 1995

The jurors that convicted the poor political pawn? I'm sure they were republican plants.
Did you happen to notice that the other two judges on the Seventh Circuit panel were GOP appointees? One of them was noted softie Frank Easterbrook.
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Old 04-11-2007, 03:22 PM   #3756
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Did you happen to notice that the other two judges on the Seventh Circuit panel were GOP appointees? One of them was noted softie Frank Easterbrook.
actually I didn't even know there were 3 judges- is that normal? thanks to fringey for helping me.

as to substance, fringey already made this argument, albeit with her characteristic synapse gaps, but still, and she lost the argument.
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I am with you in re disgust at that thing in Wisconsin, but I wonder why you connect these two cases. How are they at all connected or even similar, save the very general connection that they are both cases of a railroading (a characteristic they share with thousands of other investigations/cases started every year)?

You're not insinuating those Duke kids are a cause celebre for Republicans, or happen to represent some sort of uber-Republican spoiled brat constituency.

I didn't think so, because that would be applying stereotypes and generalizing, which I wouldn't want to see on these boards. Not accusin'... just sayin.'
Since the Duke case has got a lot of people questioning prosecutorial motives, I thought I'd see if those instincts could be put to good use elsewhere.
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Since the Duke case has got a lot of people questioning prosecutorial motives, I thought I'd see if those instincts could be put to good use elsewhere.
how long did the jury take to convict in the Duke case?
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Old 04-11-2007, 03:27 PM   #3759
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actually I didn't even know there were 3 judges- is that normal? thanks to fringey for helping me.

as to substance, fringey lost the argument.
I'm pretty sure her appeal would result in a victory within hours of oral argument.
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how long did the jury take to convict in the Duke case?
So you're convinced that Scooter Libby lied, then?
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Did you happen to notice that the other two judges on the Seventh Circuit panel were GOP appointees? One of them was noted softie Frank Easterbrook.
Wood served in the Reagan admin.

FWIW, I suspect a number of the republican appointees from Reagan/Bush I would not clear the first hurdle in the current vetting process. Far too concerned with individual rights. Folks like Posner, Kozinski, Easterbrook, Ginsburg--lefties all.
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Since the Duke case has got a lot of people questioning prosecutorial motives, I thought I'd see if those instincts could be put to good use elsewhere.
A better segue would have been to use the US attorney fiasco directly.
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I am with you in re disgust at that thing in Wisconsin, but I wonder why you connect these two cases. How are they at all connected or even similar, save the very general connection that they are both cases of a railroading (a characteristic they share with thousands of other investigations/cases started every year)?
Didn't Nifong use the Duke case to get re-elected?
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Wood served in the Reagan admin.

FWIW, I suspect a number of the republican appointees from Reagan/Bush I would not clear the first hurdle in the current vetting process. Far too concerned with individual rights. Folks like Posner, Kozinski, Easterbrook, Ginsburg--lefties all.
The current administration also seems to be less impressed by academic credentials than their counterparts in the Reagan and GHWB admininstrations were. So being pointy-headed is not such a plus.
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Didn't Nifong use the Duke case to get re-elected?
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