Making Baby Jesus Cry

Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
I know it's a schtick

You sure?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
I have yet to blame anyone for this disaster besides mother nature, but I've read that the logistics behind organizing such a thing would take more than two days, FWIW.*

I can't imagine how long it would take to forcibly bus tens of thousands of hysterical people, who would probably want to bring everything and the kitchen sink with them, out of a city.

*I may have read it the WSJ, but cannot currently confirm.

That's why you have a plan in advance and when the time comes you implement it..,......oh, wait...they did have a plan, it did call for using the buses, but Nagin failed to employ it and further, rather than just move the buses to higher ground for use later, if needed, he let them stay in the yards that ended up flooded. The type of logistics that were needed were of a kind we should expect our state and local government to have in place before a disaster and be able to act on them. No offence, but as you live in Chicago, you are well versed in not holding local government accountable for its criminal activity, which may explain your soft spot for Nagin et al.

[Nut Case, Sensitive]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
The dems are really nauseating.

Ah, seeking political gain in a tragedy. An old chestnut!

Nagin and Blanco's political careers are over. Enjoy beating the dead horse. Really. Have fun. You, I suspect, have kicked in your Nut, right?

The only politician in the affected area who doesn't come out as an ass is Trent Lott, who is just livid at the feds right now.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by ironweed
You sure?

I'm a little worried about the mental health. Deliberately alienating an entire social circle? Do I need to send antidepressants?

etc "antibiotics" to "antidepressants" goddamn uti.

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
That's why you have a plan in advance and when the time comes you implement it..,......oh, wait...they did have a plan, it did call for using the buses, but Nagin failed to employ it and further, rather than just move the buses to higher ground for use later, if needed, he let them stay in the yards that ended up flooded. The type of logistics that were needed were of a kind we should expect our state and local government to have in place before a disaster and be able to act on them. No offence, but as you live in Chicago, you are well versed in not holding local government accountable for its criminal activity, which may explain your soft spot for Nagin et al.

Wait a second! Chicago local government is fed by corporate bribes - I thought you'd appreciate that. It's just like the current administration, but on a smaller scale.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
That's valid. I am interested in knowing why it took until Friday to start getting people trapped in the city out of the city, though. I really do not anticipate getting a satisfying answer on this.*,**

Thank you for validating me.

Getting people out presumes you have some place to take them. And, I think the timeline was a bit shorter. Flooding began Tues. (or late Mon.); Buses were rolling by Thurs. morn. (although not as quickly as anyone would like.

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Gattigap
Really? Senator Lott apparently disagrees. And even after Bush said he'd rebuild the man's house.

• Sen. Trent Lott berated both the Federal Emergency Management Agency and his own state's emergency management, MEMA, for being mired in red tape at a time of urgent need given the devastation left by Hurricane Katrina.
  
  Lott said he has been trying to get FEMA to send 20,000 trailers "sitting in Atlanta" to the Mississippi coast, and he urged President Bush during a meeting Monday to intervene. He said FEMA has refused to ship the trailers until contracts are secured.
  
  "FEMA and MEMA need to be saying, 'Yes' to Mississippi's needs, not, 'No.," the former majority leader said in a written statement.
  
  "Mississippians are homeless, hungry and hurting."
  
  Similar stories of governmental red tape have been reported elsewhere, including a case of 100 surgeons and paramedics hindered from caring for hurricane victims in rural Mississippi. (Full story)
  
  "This is an emergency situation without peer, like nothing our generation has ever encountered," Lott said. "If suffering people along the Gulf Coast, from Mobile to New Orleans, are going to recover as soon as possible, we'll need an unprecedented public and private effort that can't be hampered by a process geared toward much lesser disasters."

My info was based on an interview I saw with Barbor.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by ironweed
You sure?

Its not. The dems and the MSM want blame Bush. Bush has already acknowledged unacceptable responses of the Feds. What I don't understand is why the Dems and the MSM don't want to hold the state or local governments responsible or if they acknowledge some responsibility they qualify it into de minimisness. I boil it down to one simple question that is at the root of the loss of life and yet no one will answer it. The question itself is serious and the fact that no dem will answer it or take a reasonable amount of responsibility is of serious consequence to our country. This is Clinton's legacy to the left, take no responsibility, ever, never.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Nut Case, Sensitive
Ah, seeking political gain in a tragedy. An old chestnut!

Nagin and Blanco's political careers are over.

Why are there careers over if thye didn't do anything wrong and it was Bush's fault?

Originally posted by Nut Case, Sensitive
You, I suspect, have kicked in your Nut, right?

I don't need to justify my charitable donations to you. Fringe already questioned me on it and I offered her chance to win $5K if she was more charitable than I am. She declined to respond, which is about what I expected.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Thank you for validating me.

Getting people out presumes you have some place to take them. And, I think the timeline was a bit shorter. Flooding began Tues. (or late Mon.); Buses were rolling by Thurs. morn. (although not as quickly as anyone would like.

Buses were barely rolling on Thurs. I remember because I was very, very stressed out about it (yes, I realize that's irrational and a waste of energy). It was Friday before there was any significant bus-age.

eta and I didn't mean the valid thingy to be patronizing or whatever.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Spanky
The Mayor of New Orleans is incompetant.

Is that Creole?

I think making fun of local dialects at a time like this is disgusting.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
spank, how about the buses? In the 48 hours prior to the strike how many people could the buses have ferried out? At 66 people per bus, which I believe was the capacity of the buses in question it is 16,500 people per run. Even with only 3 runs in that 48 hour run up 50,000 people could have been evacauted.

The plan in place after Hugo called for the buses to be employed. Why didn't Nagin use them? Why?!?!?!? WHY?!??!?!!?

I thought that was implied by my point number #1. He should have been taking action before the storm hit.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Why are there careers over if thye didn't do anything wrong and it was Bush's fault?




I don't need to justify my charitable donations to you. Fringe already questioned me on it and I offered her chance to win $5K if she was more charitable than I am. She declined to respond, which is about what I expected.

I didn't get the message. And you are too aware of my current (but soon to be over, I think) financial constraints to have any fear of losing that bet.


ETA And I never said you didn't throw money at what you consider to be worthy charitable organizations, so I'm not sure why you directed that at me.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
Wait a second! Chicago local government is fed by corporate bribes - I thought you'd appreciate that. It's just like the current administration, but on a smaller scale.

Honestly, no offence to you or other Chicagolanders (and ftr I like Chicago) I don't get Chicago and why people put up with that level of corruption. Its not just corporate, its organized crime, which makes the Daley family co-conspirators in a criminal enterprise. I am not naive but the level that family and their friends operate on is unique in modern day America, except for NO, which is neck and neck.

[SlaveNoMore]

Nut Case, Sensitive
The only politician in the affected area who doesn't come out as an ass is Trent Lott, who is just livid at the feds right now.

Haley Barbour looks pretty damn good, IMHO