Making Baby Jesus Cry

[nononono]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Haley Barbour looks pretty damn good, IMHO

Agree, but he will be criticized as being a suckup.

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Haley Barbour looks pretty damn good, IMHO

Your tastes sure have changed.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Haley Barbour looks pretty damn good, IMHO

To me, he looks one red nose away from being Ted Kennedy's drinking buddy. Of course, I'd still put him, not Ted, behind the wheel after a night out. Or wear a lifejacket.

Originally posted by nononono
Agree, but he will be criticized as being a suckup.

Or lauded for being a team player. Depends on your golf course, I guess.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
I have asked all of the libs here who defend Nagin and Blanco to explain why 250 plus buses were never put into use to evacuate the populace 48 hours before Katrina. No answer. By your equation the libs are all dumbasses. As we suspected.

Its assumed the local/state govts are incompetent. The story here is that the Fed Govt is just as incompetent. I, for one, am shocked. This has rattled the very foundation of my faith in my country.

Luckily, the ever curious W will empanel a blue ribbon panel of the near dead (who wants to bet George Schultz is on it?) to get to the bottom of things. When they’re done interviewing all the bureaucrats involved here and writing their report, President McCain will strip Chertoff of his medal of freedom.

[Nut Case, Sensitive]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Why are there careers over if thye didn't do anything wrong and it was Bush's fault?

How does "enough blame to go around" translate to "Bush's fault"? I'm going back to just calling you a Nut. Nut.

Wait a minute. You deserve more.

Illiterate, illogical, totally insipid NUT!

I don't need to justify my charitable donations to you. Fringe already questioned me on it and I offered her chance to win $5K if she was more charitable than I am. She declined to respond, which is about what I expected.

I assumed you had. So get your cronies to.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
I didn't get the message. And you are too aware of my current (but soon to be over, I think) financial constraints to have any fear of losing that bet.

And yet you took at politics of personal destruction shots at my charitable contributions. Step back and look at that objectively and then tell me who needs meds.

Originally posted by ltl/fb


ETA And I never said you didn't throw money at what you consider to be worthy charitable organizations, so I'm not sure why you directed that at me.

Go back and look at what you posted on the FB and you will see why I took offence with you. And don't give me that liberal qualification bull shite about "what I consider to be worthy". I give the bulk of my charitable donations to objectively worthy funds.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
And yet you took at politics of personal destruction shots at my charitable contributions. Step back and look at that objectively and then tell me who needs meds.



Go back and look at what you posted on the FB and you will see why I took offence with you. And don't give me that liberal qualification bull shite about "what I consider to be worthy". I give the bulk of my charitable donations to objectively worthy funds.

Oh, go fuck yourself. Your charitable contributions have nothing to do with this debate, I don't recall the conversation, and I read only about 1 in 20 of your posts.

I don't know why you and Hank hate this board so much that you are going to such lengths to ruin it, but chalk up another mini-victory.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Haley Barbour looks pretty damn good, IMHO

He always looks good. He’s got that “I’m so rich, and so wired” smile that you can only get when you’re President of every Ole Boys Club for 500 miles around.

He could kill and eat children on his yacht on public access television and get acquitted in Mississippi. They’d probably give him probation in Alabama and LA.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Its assumed the local/state govts are incompetent. The story here is that the Fed Govt is just as incompetent. I, for one, am shocked. This has rattled the very foundation of my faith in my country.

And my underlying point is the fuck-ups of rhe local and state govts are so eggregious that they set the Feds up for a situation where the intiial hours and days when the Feds had to come in were going to be disastrous no matter what. The local government created a situation where far too many people than shoiuld have been were trapped in the city, and then it herded them to places that were ill equipped to handle them and then everyone threw up their hands as anarchy was about to descend and said, "where are the Feds??!?!" My point is, even with a moderately incompetant local government the situation should never have reached the position to have the potential it did.

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Why do you feel the need to qualify the state and city's errors as being probable and possible, but don't add the qualifiers when you turn the finger toward Bush and the Feds?

Coltrane's response is better, but I'll try to provide a serious answer to this small, lucid part of your post. Because:

* We've known less about Nagin's and Blanco's involvement in the planning stages, though we're learning more -- and even from sources that don't publish photoshopped images. That's why, as I've said before, I'm perfectly happy to blame Nagin and Blanco when their involvement/noninvolvement/malfeasance gets sorted out -- or even have them shot, if that's what your conservative druthers dictate.

* It's difficult to know much about their recovery efforts, because the local and state infrastructure was kinda destroyed into teeny little bits.

* I understand you've been, you know, arguing for their responsibility in this fiasco, but frankly I'm trying to stop reading your posts when I reach the omigodtherewerebuseswhydidn'thedriveallofthefuckingBUSESS!!!???!!!! part.

Meanwhile, we were treated to images of Brown and Chertoff as of Thursday proclaiming that FEMA and DHS were in charge, yessiree, security inside the city was peachy-keen, and chastising reporters for suggesting that the 10 or 20 evacuees in the Superdome or Convention Center were even one breath mint short of fully fed, and see our Secretary of State in Biloxii on Friday making a nonpolitical, nosiree, visit to Mississippistan to interact with the foreign locals.

Now this degree of departure from reality may synch well with your worldview, and of the GOP's embrace of small government, but to some of the rest of us, it suggests that the feds might just be fucking something up pretty badly, even with a good helping of local screwups as well.

That so hard for you to understand? We can write it in big fucking letters if you want.

[Honestly, can you, like Ty, not see your entrenched and unbendable bias? Either way, again, whether you want to believe it or not, thisiswhyyoulosenationalelectionsdemocrats(heehee!Imeant"dimocrats!")aresofuckingstupidIcan'tbelieve itohmigodtherewerebusescatsanddogssleepingtogetheranddoinganalbutWHATABOUTTHEBUSES!!!???!!!?]

Ummm. Yeah. What Coltrane, Not Bob, Ty, and many others have said.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
Oh, go fuck yourself. Your charitable contributions have nothing to do with this debate, I don't recall the conversation, and I read only about 1 in 20 of your posts.

I don't know why you and Hank hate this board so much that you are going to such lengths to ruin it, but chalk up another mini-victory.

Exactly, its my fault. Don;t take any responsibility for your shitty comments. Go back and read what you wrote and you should be able to figure it out, or if you are not responsible enough to take responsibility for the juvenile and stupid shite you write then you can go fuck yourself.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Gattigap
The feds are responsible, the state and local, we are looking into it.

Again you qualify the one and unqualifiedly critisise the other. You stick your hand in the sand as to info regarding state and local that has been out there for a week and claim, we are just finding out about it, which is nonsense. As soon as the Feds didn't solve the problem you were all over Bush without an iota of benefit of the doubt or looking at the totality of the circumstances. And you still refuse to explain how the first responders are less responsible than the Feds and specifically how the local is not so much more at fault for the failure to implement a plan that existed that set the Feds up to come into a situation which was a disaster to start with.


Citing Ty and Not Bob et al does not make it anymore convincing. Every liberal I meet or know has their heads as far in the sand as y'all. And none of you can figure out how a coutnry would vote for Bush. Twice. Surprise surprise.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
And my underlying point is the fuck-ups of rhe local and state govts are so eggregious that they set the Feds up for a situation where the intiial hours and days when the Feds had to come in were going to be disastrous no matter what. The local government created a situation where far too many people than shoiuld have been were trapped in the city, and then it herded them to places that were ill equipped to handle them and then everyone threw up their hands as anarchy was about to descend and said, "where are the Feds??!?!" My point is, even with a moderately incompetant local government the situation should never have reached the position to have the potential it did.

I agree. The locals really shit the bed. They were the first line of help here, and they weren’t just bad... they weren’t even there. I see an equal apportionment of liability here - the state, fed and the people themselves each get 1/3 responsibility.*

But thats hardly revelatory - I think everyone agrees no one party is at fault for all of this mess. Like any disaster, there are a million variables that all hit at the wrong time.

Thats why I see no sense in laying blame. Better to do wwhat you're doing - sheltering a poor homeless kid.

* The infirm who couldn’t get out don’t bear any responsibility.

[Southern Patriot]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Exactly, its my fault.

Now this is what we mean by taking responsibility. And I note that it's the good ole' boys like Barbour and Lott that are standing up and looking like they are taking charge. Do you see what happens when you put some school-marmish woman in charge of the country ... er, state?