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01-22-2007, 05:33 PM
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Shake it off -- rub some dirt on it.
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Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
The rules must be applied consistently throughout the game.
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This is exactly right. Exactly right. Without consistency, then rules are not rules. Without rules, then we have anarchy, not an organized sporting event. If it were intended that the rule be applied differently in different situations, than we would need a different rule to explain how to apply the original rule in those different situations. The rules are unambiguous, and although there is a certain unavoidable level of subjectivity in interpreting the situations in which those rules are applied, this subjectivity must be minimized and the rules must be applied as closely to the unambiguous meaning of the written rule for the rule to make sense and for fairness to permeate the sporting event.
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01-22-2007, 05:34 PM
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God, please no
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Originally posted by nononono
Stone-cold sober, please.
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This is a major tactical error.
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01-22-2007, 05:34 PM
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Registered User
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Shake it off -- rub some dirt on it.
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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
The game should be decided by what the players do in the course of play, not by the referees. As TM said, an NBA game should be decided by a tough shot in a lane, not by free throws made after a borderline call. The principle is the same.
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I disagree with this principle.
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01-22-2007, 05:34 PM
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Moderasaurus Rex
Join Date: May 2004
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Shake it off -- rub some dirt on it.
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Originally posted by notcasesensitive
Wouldn't your way of doing things make it more likely that players get away with cheap shots at the end of the game? When should the refs start non-calling?
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Yes. More likely. But I'm not saying that the refs should put their whistles in their pockets -- that tends to screw up play, too, most notably in the NBA. Good refs let stuff go in order to maintain some balance. If Banta-Cain had flagrantly abused Manning, he should have been flagged for him. Personally, I didn't see it.
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01-22-2007, 05:35 PM
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Flaired.
Join Date: Mar 2003
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Shake it off -- rub some dirt on it.
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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
I agree with that. That said, personal fouls almost never affect the actual play itself (I suppose the 15-yard facemask can, although if you can grab the facemask that long, you probably could make the tackle anyway).
BTW, I think that was the explanation the Giants' lineman gave for when he let Vince Young get away on that fourth down play back a few weeks ago. He said that he didn't know if the ball had been released, and under the rules if he hit him and the ball was away, he would have been penalized 15 yards. The league basically should put flags on the QB, and he's down if you pull one off. Any physical contact beyond that should be an automatic penalty.
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I was hoping we could have a brief moratorium on discussions involving stupid plays made by the Giants this season. Maybe 8 months or so?
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01-22-2007, 05:35 PM
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halfsharkalligatorhalfmod
Join Date: Mar 2003
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No text needed.
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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Is that Alba? Not that it makes a difference who the fuck it is...
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Biel.
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01-22-2007, 05:35 PM
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It's all about me.
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Enough about me. Let's talk about you. What do you think of me?
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Oh God Help Me.
Quote:
Originally posted by dtb
I had an arson Barbri practice question that said concrete was much less flammable.
If that isn't proof, I don't know what is.
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I am still waiting for someone to answer m question about concrete and the fire issue.
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01-22-2007, 05:36 PM
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Moderasaurus Rex
Join Date: May 2004
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Shake it off -- rub some dirt on it.
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Originally posted by Adder
If indeed he had been bitching to the refs, I think he pretty clearly demonstrated that it wasn't a waste of time.
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If so, only because the refs rewarded it, and my point was that they shouldn't have.
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01-22-2007, 05:37 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2003
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Oh God Help Me.
Quote:
Originally posted by dtb
I had an arson Barbri practice question that said concrete was much less flammable.
If that isn't proof, I don't know what is.
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I first read that as arson Barbi. Which is excellent. Don't fuck around on that one, Ken.
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01-22-2007, 05:38 PM
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Registered User
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Eye Candy
my friend just sent this it is in french but it is male rugby players and they are quite hot.
http://3couleurs.blogspot.com/2006/0...tade-2007.html
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01-22-2007, 05:38 PM
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Editor Emeritus
Join Date: Aug 2003
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Oh God Help Me.
Quote:
Originally posted by bold_n_brazen
I am still waiting for someone to answer m question about concrete and the fire issue.
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Yes, concrete is less flammable than wood.
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01-22-2007, 05:39 PM
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Shake it off -- rub some dirt on it.
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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Of course they do, at least in football, basketball, soccer and hockey. I can't think of an example in baseball, so maybe you have that one. In all of these sports, the referees should not be deciding the game, and so you don't make a borderline call that could be dispositive. Obviously, there are some calls that have to be made -- a receiver is in bounds or out of bounds, a pitch is a ball or a strike, etc. But that's not what I'm talking about.
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I don't follow your argument. If you can say a foul or penalty has been committed, how is not making the call any less dispositive? The referee is still deciding the game, he's just doing it by intentionally not calling the penalty or foul.
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01-22-2007, 05:39 PM
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Oh God Help Me.
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Originally posted by bold_n_brazen
I am still waiting for someone to answer m question about concrete and the fire issue.
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Are you looking for confirmation?
My observation is that whenever you see a burned-down house, the foundation and chimney (if brick/stone) are always standing, even though everything else is gone.
Your mileage may vary.
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01-22-2007, 05:39 PM
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Oh God Help Me.
Quote:
Originally posted by Oliver_Wendell_Ramone
I first read that as arson Barbi. Which is excellent. Don't fuck around on that one, Ken.
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What if Ken has an unprofitable business in a warehouse on the outskirts of town and fire insurance?
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01-22-2007, 05:40 PM
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Shake it off -- rub some dirt on it.
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Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
That may be true, but that wasn't my point. A penalty with 14 minutes remaining is also a penalty with 10 seconds remaining. The rules must be applied consistently throughout the game.
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I agree. But on to the bad news for you.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...x.html?cnn=yes
There's one Chicago Bear who still doesn't know whether he'll be in Miami for Super Bowl XLI, and he won't know until Tuesday morning.
At half past nine in Courtroom 108 of the 2d District Municipal Courthouse in Skokie, Ill., defensive tackle Tank Johnson and his attorneys will ask Circuit Judge John J. Moran, Jr., for permission to leave the State of Illinois. Without Moran's permission, Johnson won't be going anywhere.
The early indications from Moran are not promising for Johnson, who is charged with violating probation as the result of a police raid on his home and the seizure of six guns and more than 500 rounds of ammunition.
When Johnson first appeared in court to respond to the charge of violating probation, Judge Moran set a bond of $100,000, a clear indication that Moran was not happy with Johnson's behavior. Prosecutors and defense lawyers who practice in Chicago's criminal courts agree that the $100,000 bond is highly unusual. The typical bond for a probation violation charge would be $1,000 or even no bond at all.
"The bond is astounding," one veteran defense lawyer told SI.com. "It means that Johnson is in real trouble with this judge."
Johnson was in the 13th month of an 18-month term of probation when a Gurnee police SWAT team raided his house, finding the guns and arresting his friend, Willie Posey, who was caught in Johnson's basement with a wholesale quantity of marijuana. Posey was murdered two days later moments after he and Johnson arrived in a Chicago nightclub that was a notorious gang hangout.
In addition to the guns and hanging out with a convicted felon, Moran will undoubtedly notice that the current charge is Johnson's second allegation of violating his probation. In March of 2006, Johnson was charged with violations of the conditions of his probation because he had failed to pay a fine, had failed to complete community service, and had failed to do drug and alcohol tests. Johnson managed to settle those charges.
It adds up to a difficult situation for Johnson. "Jack Moran is a tough character," observed a defense lawyer has handled many cases before Moran and insisted on anonymity because he currently has other cases before Moran. "He will do what the case and the situation demand regardless of what it may do to the Chicago Bears and their defensive line. Johnson may not make it to Miami."
Moran has been a judge since 1991 and previously served as a prosecutor in Cook County from for six years. He serves as an adjunct professor at DePaul University.
Johnson's predicament is critical to the Bears. Tommie Harris, the Bears best defensive tackle is out with an injury. Without Johnson, the Bears would be playing for a championship without their two top defensive tackles.
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