A Forum for Grinches and Ho-Ho-Hoes

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Spanky
You could have one insane person that could screw the entire community.

This goes way beyond legal argument into the realm of personal philosophy. For instance, were I not willing to sell my family home in order that the rest of the group of people who have decided to live near me can have a chemical plant, I could never conceive of saying that I was "screwing the community." Maybe I was being unwilling to give up my property in a way that would benefit them, but, they have no vested right to my property. To "screw" someone implies, to me, that I am depriving them of that which is theirs. There's only one screwee in your hypo.

[Spanky]

My opinion, which I think is the obvious answers, which is not backed up by anything, is there are less woman scientists simply because women are not encouraged to be scientists. I don't think you need a bunch of cross cultural studies. It is the same reason more African Americans are involved in professional sports, Asians are more represented in Engineering fields, and there are a lot of Jewish doctors. In each of these minicultures, the kids are encouraged to go into these prospective fields and they do. I don't think there is any credible evidence to show that there is any innate difference intellecutally between men and woman, asian and africans etc. I have a gazillion white trash relatives in the midwest, and none of them encourage their daughters to be scientists. They are all encouraged to work at Hooters.

[SlaveNoMore]

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
If I were holding the last original, you should argue that it is actually government property. How did I get it? (By the way, is there more than one original of the Declaration?)

How many have a treasure map on the back?


FWIW, I'm on a substantive politics-post hiatus. Spanky has my proxy.

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
I think that's more offensive, but I'm not sure it's worse. The soviet union just took property--not such a good result either.

Perhaps, but viewed it in terms of relative power, if the government takes your property, given the size of the government relative to you, the power relationship really is unchanged. OTOH, If the government takes your property and gives it to a private citizen, the marginal power shift is greater.

efs

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Spanky
My opinion, which I think is the obvious answers, which is not backed up by anything, is there are less woman scientists simply because women are not encouraged to be scientists. I don't think you need a bunch of cross cultural studies. It is the same reason more African Americans are involved in professional sports, Asians are more represented in Engineering fields, and there are a lot of Jewish doctors. In each of these minicultures, the kids are encouraged to go into these prospective fields and they do. I don't think there is any credible evidence to show that there is any innate difference intellecutally between men and woman, asian and africans etc. I have a gazillion white trash relatives in the midwest, and none of them encourage their daughters to be scientists. They are all encouraged to work at Hooters.

I think you mean "fewer" not "less."

And, wow. I think there are innate differences in the way men and women are wired -- certain genes linked to X vs Y chromosomes, certain stuff triggered by estrogen/testosterone/etc.

Slave, good to know your views on -- hey, why are they African Americans, but then it's Asians (not Asian Americans) but then it's "Jewish" not "Jews" or "Jewish Americans"? Please let us know, or have your agent tell us.

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
If I were holding the last original, you should argue that it is actually government property. How did I get it? (By the way, is there more than one original of the Declaration?)

IIRC, there were upwards of a dozen "originals" of the Declaration. They were copied out longhand at about the same time from TJ's text (and others inclusing Adams), and sent around to be published in the various colonies. I have a vague notion that several survive.

S_A_M

eta: P.S. You know eminent domain is an interesting issue when Bilmore, club, GGG and I line up more or less on one side, with Spanky and Ty on the other. Burger -- who knows?

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Gattigap
Wow. Spanky's been here -- what, a week? -- and already he regrets agreeing with you.

This land speed record beats even Hank, who became disillusioned only when he realized that "ball popper" didn't mean what he thought it meant.

Good work, Ty!

How come you're not inviting him to the meetings?

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by sgtclub
Perhaps, but viewed it in terms of relative power, if the government takes your property, given the size of the government relative to you, the power relationship really is unchanged. OTOH, If the government takes you and gives it to a private citizen, the marginal power shift if greater.

So property is power? I totally agree, which is why I'm so into redistribution, especially in light of the right to leave property (i.e. power) to your kids, but I'm heartened to see you state it so explicitly. This is what makes me think there is hope for you yet.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
And, wow. I think there are innate differences in the way men and women are wired -- certain genes linked to X vs Y chromosomes, certain stuff triggered by estrogen/testosterone/etc.

My hypo donut store regularly stocked only one jelly filled, whereas you had several.

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
eta: P.S. You know eminent domain is an interesting issue when Bilmore, club, GGG and I line up more or less on one side, with Spanky and Ty on the other. Burger -- who knows?

That's twice in the last few months.

Burger is the consummate devil's advocate.

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
So property is power? I totally agree, which is why I'm so into redistribution, especially in light of the right to leave property (i.e. power) to your kids, but I'm heartened to see you state it so explicitly. This is what makes me think there is hope for you yet.

Of course it is power, it is our primary power.

And by the way, I wasn't going to say anything, but since you timmied Spanky I feel I must. A few pages back you used "sex" when you should have used "gender."

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Larry Summers' problem is that he's smarter than most people, but not smart enough to avoid making clear that this is one of the many things he knows.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
My hypo donut store regularly stocked only one jelly filled, whereas you had several.

Um, I never stocked my hypo donut store, I listed what kinds I like. And I only like one kind of jelly donut -- raspberry. I had one this morning, damn you.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by sgtclub
Of course it is power, it is our primary power.

And by the way, I wasn't going to say anything, but since you timmied Spanky I feel I must. A few pages back you used "sex" when you should have used "gender."

I don't subscribe to the PC crap on that, and I'm surprised you do, Mr. Straight Shooter.

Main Entry: 1sex
Pronunciation: 'seks
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin sexus
1 : either of the two major forms of individuals that occur in many species and that are distinguished respectively as female or male

http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionar...tionary&va=sex


So, if property is power, you feel that it's OK to have people start out in life at totally different levels of power, merely because of who their parents are, with no mechanism for redistribution? Perhaps instead of being hopeful, I should become reconciled to the prospect of you being beyond redemption. You should get Slave's horns.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
Um, I never stocked my hypo donut store, I listed what kinds I like. And I only like one kind of jelly donut -- raspberry. I had one this morning, damn you.

Delivered to your desk for "evidence" purposes?

And be careful- I knew an alcoholic who bought a beer store and about depleted the inventory in 4 months time.