Fashion Board 3-5-04 to 4-6-04

[YKW]

Originally posted by Pretty Little Flower
rEdiculous crap

Listen, fool, you have become a total fool. If all you can do is come here and post gratuitous pablum and stuff like that and not add any value to the discussion, then I disrespectfully suggest you take your act elsewhere because "we been there done that".

[ThurgreedMarshall]

From ESPN:

"Just weeks ago, Parker couldn't even throw down because of the lingering effects of an ACL tear last July. Parker, who led Naperville Central High School in suburban Chicago to consecutive state titles, missed the first 11 games of the past season. She still wears a sleek silver brace over her left knee, her plant leg for jumping.

This summer, before the injury, Parker could leap and do one-handed reverse dunks from under the rim and a lean-in dunk where she got above the rim and could quickly snap the ball into the basket."

Now that would impress me. At least it sounds like she (almost) belonged there being that she must have received the invite off of the strength of her dunks when she was 100%. Hell, I'm impressed that she's dunking again so soon after an acl tear. She sounds like when she's completely healthy, she has some bitter hops brewin'.

TM

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
Of course it's subjective. That's what makes it fun to argue about. Especially because when I point to something objective, like the 12 million Bodyguard albums she sold on the strength of this song, it will only cause you to say something like "12 million people are always wrong." And to be honest, most really successful pop stuff is crap. The only difference here would be that the song itself isn't really "pop" as most people would think of it. It's pop only because it sold so much.

I'd like to hear Aretha sing it, though.

TM

PS - Does anyone really believe that Sebby only watched gay porn just once?

I don't think it's pop either. (N)Either version.

I like hearing Aretha sing just about anything.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
given your respective avatars, that's not so appealing.

I can understand your reaction to Hank (and, after all, he can't even dunk), but what's your beef with me?

[baltassoc]

Originally posted by Pretty Little Flower
I think another reason you might be forgetting is that the song is pure pop-schlock. Just horrible fucking crap. I cannot believe we are debating the merits of this cheesy fucking song. I don't think I have ever heard Dolly's version, but I cannot imagine I would like it any better, unless the lyrics and melody are different in her version.

Not Bob really nailed the differences in the two versions, and they really have different appeals. I like Dolly's better, but just because I tend to like introspective type songs more than the Whitney-type declarations.

I can think of a few other examples of interpretation really changing the effect of the song. Most recently, George on American Idol doing Sitting on the Dock of the Bay. In a sense he blew it (too energetic), but somehow he conveyed an interesting alternative interpretation. Also, Clapton's two radically different versions of Layla. And the Tori Amos cover of Smells Like Teen Spirit I mentioned yesterday is a transformation of a song about mostly about anger into a song mostly about depression (although both versions have undercurrents of each).

[SlaveNoMore]

sebastian_dangerfield
Tool is awful

THIS is far and away the most uninfomed thing you've ever said on these Boards.

[notcasesensitive]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I don't like seeing hard cocks in straight porn. In fact, I don't like the sex act in the porn. I prefer just looking at the women nude, or doing something to each other or themselves. I don't need to see some cat ramming it home.

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[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
I like hearing Aretha sing just about anything.

I think I posted this a long time ago, but I believe that there are certain songs that should never be remade. Ever. I tend to think most everything by Aretha or Marvin should be protected because they can't be improved upon.

So, poll. Name a song or three that is so distinctive, memorable and gratifying that is should not be remade.

I'll go with:

1. Natural Woman - Aretha
2. What's goin' on - Marvin
3. I'll Be There - Jackson Five

TM

[evenodds]

Originally posted by baltassoc
And the Tori Amos cover of Smells Like Teen Spirit I mentioned yesterday is a transformation of a song about mostly about anger into a song mostly about depression (although both versions have undercurrents of each).

I love the Bad Plus cover of Smells Like Teen Spirit. Musically, it's not as interesting as Herbie Hancock's cover of All Apologies, but it's a great cover.

While I am on the subject of music I love (because I know you all care), Los Lonely Boys' "Onda" is worth an iTunes purchase. For those who have not gotten a chance to see them perform live, which might be everyone but the ACL Texans, Onda demonstrates everything great about LLB.

[ABBAKiss]

Originally posted by notcasesensitive
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Clearly ncs and I should not watch porn together. Unless you are in one of your experimental modes.......

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by evenodds
I love the Bad Plus cover of Smells Like Teen Spirit. Musically, it's not as interesting as Herbie Hancock's cover of All Apologies, but it's a great cover.

While I am on the subject of music I love (because I know you all care), Los Lonely Boys' "Onda" is worth an iTunes purchase. For those who have not gotten a chance to see them perform live, which might be everyone but the ACL Texans, Onda demonstrates everything great about LLB.

All Apologies is a one of the greatest songs ever written.

That Nirvana acoustic disc still gives me chivers. "Where Did You Sleep Last Night" is basically a live mental breakdown. It almost wouldn't have made sense to put that record out any other way than posthumously.

[greatwhitenorthchick]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall

1. Natural Woman - Aretha

TM

I don't have an answer to your poll, but I believe this is Carole King's song (i.e. she wrote it). And she does a not half-bad job with it. So is it re-made when the songwriter sings it? When someone does their own song (like Willie Nelson with Crazy), it often isn't as good as the person who made it popular, but because it is theirs there is that element to it that seems to make it good. At least from my perspective.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by baltassoc
Not Bob really nailed the differences in the two versions, and they really have different appeals. I like Dolly's better, but just because I tend to like introspective type songs more than the Whitney-type declarations.

I can think of a few other examples of interpretation really changing the effect of the song. Most recently, George on American Idol doing Sitting on the Dock of the Bay. In a sense he blew it (too energetic), but somehow he conveyed an interesting alternative interpretation. Also, Clapton's two radically different versions of Layla. And the Tori Amos cover of Smells Like Teen Spirit I mentioned yesterday is a transformation of a song about mostly about anger into a song mostly about depression (although both versions have undercurrents of each).

You can't cover Otis Redding. Its should not be attempted.

[bold_n_brazen]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall


So, poll. Name a song or three that is so distinctive, memorable and gratifying that is should not be remade.



TM

1. Tangled Up in Blue - Bob Dylan
2. Won't Get Fooled Again - The Who
3. Good Year for the Roses - Elvis Costello

Honorable Mention:
Coming Up Close - 'Til Tuesday

[evenodds]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
So, poll. Name a song or three that is so distinctive, memorable and gratifying that is should not be remade.

I'll go with:

1. Natural Woman - Aretha
2. What's goin' on - Marvin
3. I'll Be There - Jackson Five

As a lover of jazz and hip-hop, I reject your poll. There is no song too good to not be remade or a version too definitive.

Now, doing a kareoke version of anything Marvin or Aretha or heck Smokey ever did (including D'Angelo's version of Cruisin' which is good but only makes me miss the Smokey version) is an absolute travesty and people should be stopped or killed if they cannot be stopped.

However, some of the best music of the past hundred years has been based in the great American songbook or Hancock's "new american songbook", so no song should be considered inviolable.