A disgusting vat of filth that no self-respecting intelligent person would wade into.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Hundreds of pages of translated documents show that the Hussein government had open ties and dealings with Al Qaeda members - which is not the same as saying Iraq was responsible for 9/11, which, again, the Bush government never did.

But hey, "bush lied, people died" sounds a lot better, and makes for a great bumper sticker.

The speech you suggest Bush gives says that he went to war, in Iraq, with the people who were responsible for 9/11.

Or was there some other incident of people flying airliners into buildings?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
"Intellectual desperation" is more akin to saying you "support the troops" - in order to avoid some social taboo - when declaring their mission to be wrong and giving succor to the enemy - is the furthest thing from supporting the troops.

So in Slave World, a legislator who votes to double the troops' pay and send them more body armor but who says we should withdraw from Iraq doesn't support the troops, but a legislator who votes to halve their pay, declines to acquire more body armor, and supports extending their mission (and tours of duty there) does support them. Interesting.

[Adder]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
"Intellectual desperation" is more akin to saying you "support the troops" - in order to avoid some social taboo - when declaring their mission to be wrong and giving succor to the enemy - is the furthest thing from supporting the troops.

Exactly what "sucor" to the enemy has anyone on this board advocated?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Or was there some other incident of people flying airliners into buildings?

no there hasn't been. matter of fact there hasn't been any significant attack on US soil since Bush went on the offensive. hmmmmmmmmmmm.

[Adder]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Or was there some other incident of people flying airliners into buildings?

Clearly it is time to declare war on Yankee pitchers.

[SlaveNoMore]

Tyrone Slothrop
So in Slave World, a legislator who votes to double the troops' pay and send them more body armor but who says we should withdraw from Iraq doesn't support the troops, but a legislator who votes to halve their pay, declines to acquire more body armor, and supports extending their mission (and tours of duty there) does support them. Interesting.

Cite please.

[SlaveNoMore]

Adder
Exactly what "sucor" to the enemy has anyone on this board advocated?

Were you deliberately making a typo?

And lessee - shall we start with referring to Army personnel as "torturers"?

[SlaveNoMore]

Sidd Finch
The speech you suggest Bush gives says that he went to war, in Iraq, with the people who were responsible for 9/11.

Or was there some other incident of people flying airliners into buildings?

I didn't suggest it - Jules Crittenden did.

And I believe he's talking about our ongoing "War on Terror" - which is actually a war against Islamofascism, or the "Clash of the Civilizations" you prefer - of which the current war in Iraq is a part.

[Adder]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Were you deliberately making a typo?

And lessee - shall we start with referring to Army personnel as "torturers"?

No. I am a bad typist.

And who has referred to Army personnel (in general) as torturers? And even if someone had, how does this aid the enemy?

[Adder]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
And I believe he's talking about our ongoing "War on Terror" - which is actually a war against Islamofascism, or the "Clash of the Civilizations" you prefer - of which the current war in Iraq is a part.

And now we are back to how you kill an idea (or prosecute a war against one with guns).

[nononono]

Originally posted by Adder
No. I am a bad typist.

And who has referred to Army personnel (in general) as torturers? And even if someone had, how does this aid the enemy?

Remember all that talk about winning hearts and minds? Same goes here. If our troops are commonly referred to as "torturers," soon enough we all start thinking it's probably at least somewhat true. And if we believe that of ourselves, and consequently don't trust our military, that certainly helps the enemy.

[Adder]

Originally posted by nononono
Remember all that talk about winning hearts and minds? Same goes here. If our troops are commonly referred to as "torturers," soon enough we all start thinking it's probably at least somewhat true. And if we believe that of ourselves, and consequently don't trust our military, that certainly helps the enemy.

Right. 'Cause the way to win hearts and minds to deny any inappropriate conduct (no matter how damning the evidence) rather than recognizing the problem and taking action to stop the conduct (see, e.g. Lyndee (sp?) England).

But again, who has been running around "commonly referr[ing]" to our troops as torturers?

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
All over the place. Here, for example:

• 
  Glaciers and ice sheets on opposite ends of the Earth are melting faster than previously thought and could cause sea levels around the world to rise as much as three feet by the end of this century and 13 to 20 feet in coming centuries, scientists are reporting today.
  
  If the researchers' estimates are correct, a rise in ocean waters projected by the new studies not only would drown many of the low-lying inhabited atolls and islands that are already endangered by rising ocean waters, it also would threaten coastal cities and harbors on every continent.
  
  Scientists have been warning for decades that greenhouse gases from autos and industry are warming the planet and raising the seas, but the studies appearing today in the journal Science are the first to suggest that sea levels could climb as high as 20 feet as a result of global warming.

If you were to spend three seconds on Google, you could find lots of stories of this sort.

You missed my point compoletely. These stories are like many others I have read. Saying the polar ice caps have been melting and that the oceans will rise. But if the ice caps have been melting shouldn't the oceans have already risen? All over the world the oceans should have inched up somewhat if what they say is true. If we are going to get flooded because of melting ice caps and they have already melted significantly shouldn't have the flooding already started all over the world?

Yes cold water is denser, but warm water is less dense and global warming should have warmed up all the water. All this warmer water would more than make up the little water that has ust melted. And the pressure on the sea bed floor has lready been significant. I can't imagine there is much more give.

[Adder]

Originally posted by Spanky
Yes cold water is denser, but warm water is less dense and global warming should have warmed up all the water. All this warmer water would more than make up the little water that has ust melted. And the pressure on the sea bed floor has lready been significant. I can't imagine there is much more give.

It has been a very long time since I had a science class, but I'm not sure that there is much variation in the volume of water according to its temperature. Anyone take fluid dynamic (or wish to google)?

[nononono]

Originally posted by Adder
Right. 'Cause the way to win hearts and minds to deny any inappropriate conduct (no matter how damning the evidence) rather than recognizing the problem and taking action to stop the conduct (see, e.g. Lyndee (sp?) England).

But again, who has been running around "commonly referr[ing]" to our troops as torturers?

Did I suggest we pretend there are no outliers, or that people who act inappropriately should be hidden or not punished?

As to your last question, I'm not jumping into your dispute.