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09-08-2004, 06:04 PM
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#3946
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silver plated, underrated
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Davis Country
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Free speech for me, but not for thee.
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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Yes, well, we all know how good the reporting has been from the Globe as of late.
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Emily Marks Curtis, who dated Bush while he worked on the 1972 Senate campaign of Winton "Red" Blount, and who told a local paper that Bush had talked of going to Guard duty on the weekends.
Is there a particular reason that the Globe finds none of the above people a reliable witness?"
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I have no idea why they wouldn't find Emily to be ironclad.
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09-08-2004, 06:04 PM
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#3947
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World Ruler
Join Date: Apr 2003
Posts: 12,057
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Over the Line
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Originally posted by sgtclub
Depends what you mean by win. There will always be terrorist attacks at some level. I think we can win the fight against organized, "global terror," but we cannot eradicate terrorist attacks completely.
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I don't care what you think. I want to know what W thinks (assuming he does).
http://www.freep.com/news/latestnews...4_20040831.htm
Bush flip-flopped!
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09-08-2004, 06:04 PM
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#3948
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Too Good For Post Numbers
Join Date: Mar 2003
Posts: 65,535
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Free speech for me, but not for thee.
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Originally posted by taxwonk
It's all just a big shitbucket that needs to be dropped in favor of addressing the candidates' positions.
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I agree. Problem is, Kerry's position so far is "I was in Viet Nam."
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09-08-2004, 06:05 PM
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#3949
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Moderasaurus Rex
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 33,050
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Free speech for me, but not for thee.
Quote:
Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Is there a particular reason that the Globe finds none of the above people a reliable witness?"
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With Calhoun, yes. Look at these, for example:
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/arc..._02/003304.php
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/arc..._02/003271.php
http://billmon.org/archives/001048.html
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/arc..._02/003304.php
Calhoun initially recalled seeing Bush on occasions which didn't match the records. (Club, this is what I was referring to earlier.) He then changed his story to match press accounts.
The other "witnesses" you cite establish that Bush saw a dentist on the base, and not much more.
Meanwhile, the records released today confirm that Bush blew off his service to work on a GOP campaign and go to Harvard. Give. It. Up.
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09-08-2004, 06:06 PM
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#3950
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Consigliere
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Pelosi Land!
Posts: 9,477
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More on Bush Deriliction of Duty
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The Larry Davis Experience
Kerry gets Purple Hearts he received in a war zone questioned but Bush's failure to fulfill his sole job in the military by skipping a physical during that same time is not "damning"?
You really should stick to the "he's got other qualifications for the job now" tack.
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1) We do. It was Kerry who chose to ignore his stints as Lt. Governor and mediocre Senator to tout his shortened stint in Vietnam.
2) Apparently, I am the only person that finds it amusing that Bush spent more years in active Service than Kerry spent months
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09-08-2004, 06:06 PM
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#3951
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Southern charmer
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: At the Great Altar of Passive Entertainment
Posts: 7,033
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Free speech for me, but not for thee.
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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
NBC, not wanting to feel left out of the pile-on, has scheduled Kitty Kelley for Monday, Tuesday AND Wednesday next week*.
I guess there is a precedent, as they also gave her three days to trash the Reagans last time out.
*John O'Neill was hoping for Thursday and Friday, but, for some reason, they still haven't called
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Maybe he could try FNC. I hear they're open, and they got the best convention viewership anyway.
Bilmore, is this the point where we chuckle and say "how do them petards feel?" I want to get the timing right.
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09-08-2004, 06:08 PM
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#3952
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Wild Rumpus Facilitator
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: In a teeny, tiny, little office
Posts: 14,167
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Free speech for me, but not for thee.
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Originally posted by sgtclub
Just not true. First you have to look at which allegation. On the Rassmasan story, for example, although they weren't on the same boat, there were several boats there at the time and they were on the other boats.
For what it's worth, I don't really care about the medal controversy. But I don't see how the accounts of 250 soldiers can be dismissed so easily, and frankly, neither does the general public.
The Bush NG story is irrevelevant, even if true.
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You're talking about events from nearly forty years ago. I would dismiss the recollection of 1000 people on events that long ago.
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09-08-2004, 06:08 PM
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#3953
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Too Good For Post Numbers
Join Date: Mar 2003
Posts: 65,535
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Free speech for me, but not for thee.
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Originally posted by Gattigap
Bilmore, is this the point where we chuckle and say "how do them petards feel?" I want to get the timing right.
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No. That would be election night.
(I probably shouldn't say that, as I am stuck at my guess of 64% probability of a Kerry win.)
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09-08-2004, 06:09 PM
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#3954
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Consigliere
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Pelosi Land!
Posts: 9,477
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Free speech for me, but not for thee.
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taxwonk
It's all just a big shitbucket that needs to be dropped in favor of addressing the candidates' positions.
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Once Kerry's new staff figures out what his positions will be, please let me know.
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09-08-2004, 06:10 PM
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#3955
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silver plated, underrated
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Davis Country
Posts: 627
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More on Bush Deriliction of Duty
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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
2) Apparently, I am the only person that finds it amusing that Bush spent more years in active Service than Kerry spent months
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I would rather spend 4 years in Alabama than four months in Iraq right now. Do you feel differently?
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09-08-2004, 06:11 PM
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#3956
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Moderasaurus Rex
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 33,050
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More on Bush Deriliction of Duty
Quote:
Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
2) Apparently, I am the only person that finds it amusing that Bush spent more years in active Service than Kerry spent months
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I find it amusing that you think Bush was in active service when he was working on a GOP campaign in Alabama and going to Harvard, but Kerry was not in active service when he was serving full-time in the Navy but not actually on a 55-foot aluminum boat on the Mekong River.
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“It was fortunate that so few men acted according to moral principle, because it was so easy to get principles wrong, and a determined person acting on mistaken principles could really do some damage." - Larissa MacFarquhar
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09-08-2004, 06:11 PM
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#3957
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Wild Rumpus Facilitator
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: In a teeny, tiny, little office
Posts: 14,167
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Free speech for me, but not for thee.
Quote:
Originally posted by bilmore
I agree. Problem is, Kerry's position so far is "I was in Viet Nam."
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If only you put as much time into this as you do researching terrorist attakcs.
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09-08-2004, 06:15 PM
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#3958
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World Ruler
Join Date: Apr 2003
Posts: 12,057
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More on Bush Deriliction of Duty
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Originally posted by The Larry Davis Experience
I would rather spend 4 years in Alabama than four months in Iraq right now. Do you feel differently?
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You've never been to Alabama, have you?
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09-08-2004, 06:16 PM
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#3959
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Moderator
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Podunkville
Posts: 6,034
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Imagine
Quote:
Originally posted by bilmore
I agree. Problem is, Kerry's position so far is "I was in Viet Nam."
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Silly me. I guess I imagined your post of yesterday mocking his plan to remove whatever tax advantages there are to US companies who outsource jobs overseas. I kinda figured that you thought that this was a silly position Kerry had taken, but now I see.
And I guess I imagined all of those "plans" listed on his website, setting forth his positions on social security and stuff like that.
Oh, wait -- that's right. They are all imaginary positions because bilmore says that John Kerry is insincere when he comes up with these plans. Why? Because they are inconsistent with his liberal voting record in the Senate.
So, let's see ... yup, that leaves Vietnam. Got it.
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09-08-2004, 06:18 PM
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#3960
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Too Good For Post Numbers
Join Date: Mar 2003
Posts: 65,535
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Free speech for me, but not for thee.
Quote:
Originally posted by taxwonk
If only you put as much time into this as you do researching terrorist attakcs.
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Oh, yeah, I forgot.
He's against gun control. Unless it's good gun control. Then he's for it, except if someone might write about it in the news. Then he's a hunter. Who shoots shotguns without plugs or glasses. (No wonder he thinks guns are unsafe.)
Oh, yeah, and he supports making teachers accountable. But, only to themselves, really. Unless he's speaking to the NEA, where he doesn't think teachers should have to justify themselves even to themselves. But we should institute merit pay. But no one should be looking to evaluate teachers already tenured.
And taxes - he's gonna make those rich bastards pay their fair share. But only the rich - no one who makes less than, say, $10,000 will see an increase in their taxes.
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