All Hank, all the time. - Page 264

sebastian_dangerfield · 08-16-2006, 01:08 PM

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Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Only if I don't need to write a paper afterwards.

I'm buying this at lunch. My concern about these books is they are often jammed with dry, shitty prose. They say this cat is a whipsong writer. I'll read that.

Penske_Account · 08-16-2006, 01:11 PM

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I think the liberal view of terrorists as criminals also has something to do with liberals' sympathy for terrorists. Terrorists do what they do because they have no other options to fight those in power. Liberals live to challenge power structures. Its part of the definition of a classic liberal in this country. Liberals "understand" terrorists. In a queer way, they sympathize with a terrorist's struggle, even if they loath what the terrorist does.

The liberals are misguided. They miss the fact that this isn't a David v. Goliath thing. The terrorists are not fighting for righteous change - they just want to be in power, and be every bit as oppressive as the regimes they cry have oppressed them.

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Sidd Finch · 08-16-2006, 01:16 PM

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I think the liberal view of terrorists as criminals also has something to do with liberals' sympathy for terrorists. Terrorists do what they do because they have no other options to fight those in power. Liberals live to challenge power structures. Its part of the definition of a classic liberal in this country. Liberals "understand" terrorists. In a queer way, they sympathize with a terrorist's struggle, even if they loath what the terrorist does.

The liberals are misguided. They miss the fact that this isn't a David v. Goliath thing. The terrorists are not fighting for righteous change - they just want to be in power, and be every bit as oppressive as the regimes they cry have oppressed them.

When you elaborate on horseshit, you generally spew more horseshit.

SlaveNoMore · 08-16-2006, 01:19 PM

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Tyrone Slothrop
Too many people in this country do not trust authorities to use their discretion, and would rather address problems through rules....I don't think this is necessarily a conservative impulse...

Sounds more to me like the Stevens side of SCOTUS

sebastian_dangerfield · 08-16-2006, 01:22 PM

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Originally posted by Sidd Finch
When you elaborate on horseshit, you generally spew more horseshit.

Dude, you cannot tell me there is not a perpetual "support the underdog" thing going on in the minds of a lot of liberals.

They have an odd dislike for the people who tend to hold the levers of power in a capitalist system.

Penske_Account · 08-16-2006, 01:27 PM

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Dude, you cannot tell me there is not a perpetual "support the underdog" thing going on in the minds of a lot of liberals.

They have an odd dislike for the people who tend to hold the levers of power in a capitalist system.

It's a cult of victimology. See Israel. They supported Israel back in the day, after the holocaust, when the Jews were victims. Once Israel become the regional power and a beacon for commerce in the region the liberals (on a global, one world scale) turned hostile. Can't have these victims actually becoming success stories...it would undercut their dependence on their liberal benefactors.

It's all about control.

The libertarian wing of the conservatives, to contrast, is about individual liberty and responsibility. Unknown concepts to some on the left.

sebastian_dangerfield · 08-16-2006, 01:28 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Too many people in this country do not trust authorities to use their discretion, and would rather address problems through rules. This same impulse gives us sentence guidelines, which take discretion away from judges (and give it to prosecutors, but few people understand that), and zero-tolerance policies, so that six-year-olds can be suspended from school for having butter knives in their backpack.

I don't think this is necessarily a conservative impulse, but it is consistent with the conservative attacks on government over the last couple of decades and with "get tough" politicians who put more energy into campaigning than into governing.

Dude, have you ever met a liberal who didn't think a regulation or a statute couldn't cure societal ills? Liberals LIVE for making rules.

That's not to say conservatives don't. The Rockefeller Drug Laws are an excellent example of how stupid conservatives can be.

Rules are a simple salve for an idiot who doesn't want to take the time to understand the problem. Hence, blind airline screening regs, banning smoking on San Diego beaches, etc...

The miles of endless codes, regs and caselaw - that we are so litigious and fixated on the lowest common denominator solution to any problem [passing a law] - is a testament to our lack of creativity and intelligence as a society.

Penske_Account · 08-16-2006, 01:30 PM

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Dude, have you ever met a liberal who didn't think a regulation or a statute couldn't cure societal ills? Liberals LIVE for making rules.

Control. The impulse to rule by a paternalistic big brother nanny state is a powerful lure for the left.

Adder · 08-16-2006, 01:35 PM

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
banning smoking on San Diego beaches, etc...
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Huh?

sebastian_dangerfield · 08-16-2006, 01:36 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
Control. The impulse to rule by a paternalistic big brother nanny state is a powerful lure for the left.

The right has that same problem, however. My right-inclined friends call me a nihilist every time I mention my Libertarian registration.

"You have to belive in something!"

"Really, why? But as a matter of fact, I do. Individual freedom."

People are dumb. They need groups to identify with. The only movments I require are those that generally follow my 20 oz Sbux coffee.

ETA: The problem is, when people think like me, there's no respect for any of the structures around us. Keeping the "guides" of law, God, country, political affiliation allows people to view their lives in terms of right and wrong, success and failure, etc. Some folks need a map. I subscribe to the notion that your guide is in your head. If you need a structure to tell your right from wrong, you're a dumbass.

Penske_Account · 08-16-2006, 01:42 PM

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
The right has that same problem, however. My right-inclined friends call me a nihilist every time I mention my Libertarian registration.

"You have to belive in something!"

"Really, why? But as a matter of fact, I do. Individual freedom."

People are dumb. They need groups to identify with. The only movments I require are those that generally follow my 20 oz Sbux coffee.

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Don't blame me, I voted for Perot.

And I am boycotting Sbux.

sebastian_dangerfield · 08-16-2006, 01:48 PM

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Originally posted by Adder
Huh?

http://www.scrippsnews.com/node/10470

Adder · 08-16-2006, 01:53 PM

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
http://www.scrippsnews.com/node/10470

Something so minor seems really out of place in the middle of your rant.

ltl/fb · 08-16-2006, 01:55 PM

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
http://www.scrippsnews.com/node/10470

It's illegal in Malibu, too. And Santa Monica. And even in Northern California areas. But perhaps after they secede, they will reinstate smoking.

Adder · 08-16-2006, 01:57 PM

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Originally posted by ltl/fb
It's illegal in Malibu, too. And Santa Monica. And even in Northern California areas. But perhaps after they secede, they will reinstate smoking.

Given that smokers tend to sea the beach (and the woods, the street, the sidewalk, or basically, anywhere) as their own personal ashtray, I do see the logic in it.

But if sebby has a market-based solution to the problem of littering, I am all ears.