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Tyrone Slothrop · 10-19-2004, 05:30 PM

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I understand that. But once the "Kerry Bill" went down, he had a choice of (A) voting to fund based on a bill that he didn't love, but sending a message to the troops that he supports them, and (B) voting not to fund, and sending a message to the President that he disagreed with the method.* He chose (B).

*Go ahead an argue that this is the principled stand.

Leadership is more than a bunch of talking points about sending messages. This little episode sheds plenty of light on Karl Rove's genius in using the war on terror to marginalize opponents, but next to nothing on what Kerry will do as CIC. Except that he'll ask the rich to make sacrifices along with the soldiers, marines, National Guardsmen and Reservists serving in Iraq.

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It does not give aid and comfort, but it does undercut Allawi's, err, the other leader's, ability to govern and our efforts in that country. What he could have said was something like "I stand firmly behind [Leader] and look forward to working with em and the other leaders when I am president." That is all that needs to be said. He also should have met with the guy and had the decency to show up when he addressed the Senate.

If the President is going to enlist ostensibly sovereign foreign leaders as tools of his campaign, his challenger had better have the cojones to call bullshit, or he shouldn't be leading the country. You seem to think that Kerry should have unilaterally disarmed. In any event, the Iraqis already know that the guy is a puppet. They don't need him to come over here to figure that out.

bilmore · 10-19-2004, 05:35 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Leadership is more than a bunch of talking points about sending messages. . . . .

Except that he'll ask the rich to make sacrifices along with the soldiers, marines, National Guardsmen and Reservists serving in Iraq.

Given the current tax reciepts source distribution, I thought the combination of these two statements in one paragraph was amusing.

Tyrone Slothrop · 10-19-2004, 05:42 PM

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Originally posted by bilmore
Given the current tax reciepts source distribution, I thought the combination of these two statements in one paragraph was amusing.

Shape Shifter · 10-19-2004, 05:45 PM

P.S. Ty invented this.

sgtclub · 10-19-2004, 05:49 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Leadership is more than a bunch of talking points about sending messages. This little episode sheds plenty of light on Karl Rove's genius in using the war on terror to marginalize opponents, but next to nothing on what Kerry will do as CIC. Except that he'll ask the rich to make sacrifices along with the soldiers, marines, National Guardsmen and Reservists serving in Iraq.

Ah, yes. When in doubt blame KR, the evil genius. Please explain why a bill that was acceptable to 30 or so of the Senators that initially voted for the "Kerry Bill" is somehow KR's fault.

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If the President is going to enlist ostensibly sovereign foreign leaders as tools of his campaign, his challenger had better have the cojones to call bullshit, or he shouldn't be leading the country. You seem to think that Kerry should have unilaterally disarmed. In any event, the Iraqis already know that the guy is a puppet. They don't need him to come over here to figure that out.

What is the point of calling his "puppet" view out, other than to undercut Bush and get elected? What purposes does it serve the war in Iraq/Terror or other US interests? I can only see that it serves JFK's interests, which he has shown time and time again, trump the interests of this country.*

* Do not think this goes to all DEMs, just a portion of them that are more concerned with getting elected than doing the right thing.

Replaced_Texan · 10-19-2004, 05:51 PM

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Originally posted by Shape Shifter

P.S. Ty invented this.

"I do not have a three inch penis."

Tyrone Slothrop · 10-19-2004, 05:55 PM

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Originally posted by sgtclub
Ah, yes. When in doubt blame KR, the evil genius. Please explain why a bill that was acceptable to 30 or so of the Senators that initially voted for the "Kerry Bill" is somehow KR's fault.

What does Rove do, if not help frame issues like this?

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What is the point of calling his "puppet" view out, other than to undercut Bush and get elected? What purposes does it serve the war in Iraq/Terror or other US interests? I can only see that it serves JFK's interests, which he has shown time and time again, trump the interests of this country.

What is the point of inviting Allawi to this country to give a Bush campaign speech, other to undercut Kerry and get Bush elected? What purposes does it serve the war in Iraq/Terror or other US interests? I can only see that it serves GWB's interests, which he has shown time and time again, trump the interests of the country. What's to stop Bush from doing this shit again, unless someone (Kerry, say) calls him on it?

Tyrone Slothrop · 10-19-2004, 05:56 PM

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Originally posted by Shape Shifter

"Our boys were this close to him in Tora Bora, before he got away."

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy · 10-19-2004, 05:59 PM

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Originally posted by sgtclub
... but sending a message to the troops that he supports them...

The implication that Kerry is not behind our troops because he disagrees with Bush's specific budget is simply insulting. Come on, Clubby, try to focus on the real issues.

ThurgreedMarshall · 10-19-2004, 06:04 PM

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Originally posted by Shape Shifter

P.S. Ty invented this.

I have no caption, but what is the guy on the left so worried about?

TM

Hank Chinaski · 10-19-2004, 06:07 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
"Our boys were this close to him in Tora Bora, before he got away."

you keep replaying these fights you lost long ago. Bush wasn't on a horse at Tora Bora. to the extent OBL "got away" you can only blame the American soldiers, not Bush. I don't think he got away, but some did, due to the terrain, due to the fact they had dug tunnels throughtout the mountain, and apparently in your mind because of soldiers are cowards or incompetants.

What you might want to consider, instead of spewing this blather, is why your sort insisted we give rights to the killers at Gitmo, and let them go back. Do you know we have had to recapture or kill several of these guys? do you feel better about the bill of rights, or worse about your inability to understand what this war means?

baltassoc · 10-19-2004, 06:08 PM

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When I get my hands on Bin Laudin, I'm flushing his head down the toilet just like I did to this jackass right behind me.

Oliver_Wendell_Ramone · 10-19-2004, 06:09 PM

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Originally posted by Shape Shifter

"I've seen Bill O'Reilly's vibrator, and it's really big."

Tyrone Slothrop · 10-19-2004, 06:15 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
you keep replaying these fights you lost long ago. Bush wasn't on a horse at Tora Bora. to the extent OBL "got away" you can only blame the American soldiers, not Bush. I don't think he got away, but some did, due to the terrain, due to the fact they had dug tunnels throughtout the mountain, and apparently in your mind because of soldiers are cowards or incompetants.

A lot of Taliban and Al Qaeda got away at Tora Bora because we hoped that Afghans could close the deal. But it's OK. Bush isn't concerned about it.

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What you might want to consider, instead of spewing this blather, is why your sort insisted we give rights to the killers at Gitmo, and let them go back. Do you know we have had to recapture or kill several of these guys? do you feel better about the bill of rights, or worse about your inability to understand what this war means?

You forgot to add the bit about the activist judges who gave the terrorists these rights.

Sexual Harassment Panda · 10-19-2004, 06:16 PM

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Originally posted by Shape Shifter

P.S. Ty invented this.

"I can sell ya six hunnerd pieces a' wood about this big - from what they tell me, that's all we got left."