Fashionistas you have arrived 3-25-03 - 10-3-03

[ThurgreedMarshall]

http://whatisthematrix.warnerbros.co...final_640.html

Preview of Matrix 2. This preview is better than the one I saw in the theater.

TM

[leagleaze]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
http://espn.go.com/mlb/news/2003/0430/1547422.html

[Spree: Reliever says mistake was to make homophobic views public]

TM

Why would he? You have a Senator gay bashing and getting expressions of support from Congress and the President. You have people blaming gay people left and right for all sorts of problems from the destruction of marriage, to abuse of children in the priesthood. You have religious leaders and boy scouts insisting gay people are immoral.

Why when the leadership of this country has sanctioned homophobia at the highest levels, are we surprised when people say and actively believe stupid things like this?

Originally posted by robustpuppy
sorry, double post.

There you go again. Trying to skew the numbers. ;-)

[leagleaze]

Originally posted by purse junkie
I always assume that anyone who goes off on gays, is gay and just can't handle it. Otherwise, why would one give a crap what anyone else does?

p(as my sage right-wing grandpa said of his tenants, "so long as they're not hurting each other")j

Maybe, maybe not. I know some tests have been done that showed homophobics were more likely to be aroused by gay porn than those who are not homophobic, but are heterosexual.

But in other cases it is simply ignorance and repeated comments from parents and society as I mentioned in response to TM.

Not everyone who is homophobic is gay and unable to deal with his or her sexuality. Some people really just believe that gay people are awful, immoral, going to hell, destroying society and what have you.

I know it might be hard for some of you to understand that people really feel this way, though I imagine there are problem some people, active posters who haven't said anything or lurkers, who feel just that way.

I don't want to harp on this because lord knows it gets tiresome. But folks, there are some people who just cannot stand gay people. And not much is likely to change their opinions. Some of them keep their mouths shut, others don't. But it isn't that uncommon a view point.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by leagleaze
Why when the leadership of this country has sanctioned homophobia at the highest levels, are we surprised when people say and actively believe stupid things like this?

I'm not surprised. I just don't get it.

TM

[robustpuppy]

Originally posted by bilmore
The alternative is actively aggressive, and that strikes me as impolite. But, I'm certainly willing to adapt.

I did not mean to imply that I thought you should be rude.

r(when I said you were passive aggressive, I meant it in the nicest possible way)p

[purse junkie]

Yes, I know some people just plain believe it. I once had a dear roommate tell me in all sincerity that she was very sad I was going to burn in hell for all eternity for being pro-choice and she would never see me again because she'd be in heaven for loving unborn babies. But I always think people who latch onto something that has nothing to do with them like a pit bull and spend their lives harping on it in red-faced outrage have serious issues that go beyond a simple moral belief.

Originally posted by robustpuppy
r(when I said you were passive aggressive, I meant it in the nicest possible way)p

The problem, of course, is that in Bilmore's and my era (the 13th century), the term "nice" was meant as an insult (i.e., stupid).

The WSJ had an interesting article today on the evolution of formerly bad terms into everyday usage and, in some instances, compliments.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by purse junkie
But I always think people who latch onto something that has nothing to do with them like a pit bull and spend their lives harping on it in red-faced outrage have serious issues that go beyond a simple moral belief.

Yeah, it's generally called "religion".

[barely_legal]

Originally posted by purse junkie
I always assume that anyone who goes off on gays, is gay and just can't handle it. Otherwise, why would one give a crap what anyone else does?

p(as my sage right-wing grandpa said of his tenants, "so long as they're not hurting each other")j

I'm sorry but this is just plain stupid. I mean, really stupid. Seriously stupid.

Homophobes may suck, but that doesn't make them gay.

Edited to add that saying that is like saying that everybody that is pro-life secretly wants to have an abortion.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by leagleaze
Maybe, maybe not. I know some tests have been done that showed homophobics were more likely to be aroused by gay porn than those who are not homophobic, but are heterosexual.

But in other cases it is simply ignorance and repeated comments from parents and society as I mentioned in response to TM.

Not everyone who is homophobic is gay and unable to deal with his or her sexuality. Some people really just believe that gay people are awful, immoral, going to hell, destroying society and what have you.

I know it might be hard for some of you to understand that people really feel this way, though I imagine there are problem some people, active posters who haven't said anything or lurkers, who feel just that way.

I don't want to harp on this because lord knows it gets tiresome. But folks, there are some people who just cannot stand gay people. And not much is likely to change their opinions. Some of them keep their mouths shut, others don't. But it isn't that uncommon a view point.

Jones' remarks kind of open up an interesting issue - whether there are folks who are not really homphobes, but can't handle flamin gay queens or super butch lesbians.

After reading Jones' comments, I'm not so certain he didn't mean to say "Look... I don't mind people being gay, but I don't like having gay men parade their sexuality in front of me". Strangely, I've heard similar comments from gay men themselves. A friend who is bisexual told me he hates queens, gay pride parades and flamboyant gay men. In his estimation, their behavior is childish and in poor taste. Another gay dude told me he had a hard time scoring because he hated gay bars and preferred to hang out with regular guys, which left him with a small dating pool. He had a really blunt attitude about his sexuality - "You like chicks, I like guys - we both go out drinking looking to score - not much difference".

Men, gay or straight, are sex-addicted. Guidos dress in cheesy leather, hair grease, neck chains and thick soled euro-shoes because they think it exudes sexiness to chicks. I find those cats repulsive in both appearance and attitude. In the same vein, I think queens and flamboyant boy toy type gay men act provacitively to attract men. Just like their hereto cheesy guido counterparts, they don't need to do it. I imagine its awfully embarrassing to a conservative gay man to be with friends in a bar and see queens nancing about flamboyantly. These flamboyant freaks create horrible stereotypes which create unfair prejudices against normal everyday gay folks, just the same way as their guido counterparts scare the good women out of bars.

I don't like flamboyant jackasses, gay or straight. If I had my way, I'd bar guidos from all public establishments (anyone who looked like he could yell "Hey Vinnie" like Stallone would be barred for life) and bar queens and boy toys. If you eliminate these nauseating groups, I don't think there'd be any reason to even have separate gay and straight bars. Instead, you could have a normal bar for regular gay and straight folks and an idiot bar for queens and guidos, and of course, the bleach blonde Denises who fuck guidos.

S(fuck... that was too long)D

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by purse junkie
But I always think people who latch onto something that has nothing to do with them like a pit bull and spend their lives harping on it in red-faced outrage have serious issues that go beyond a simple moral belief.

Really? Or is the problem just that the wrong people in your opinion engage in such activity over the wrong topics? And how do you determine which subjects "have nothing to do with" someone?

If I dedicated my life to gay people and fought with red-faced outrage against homophobia and the ridiculous bigotry accompanying it, do I have serious issues? What if I joined you in the fight against sexism? What if Leagle was an activist against racism? Do these things have nothing to do with us on an individual level? Do sexism, homophobia, racism, etc. have a larger impact to "us" as a society, or does it only have something to do with the target group? Does it have something to do with you indirectly?

Not trying to start anything (for a change). I'm just wondering what you mean.

TM

[bilmore]

Originally posted by kafka_esquire
The problem, of course, is that in Bilmore's and my era (the 13th century), the term "nice" was meant as an insult (i.e., stupid).

The WSJ had an interesting article today on the evolution of formerly bad terms into everyday usage and, in some instances, compliments.

I was quite proud when it was explained to me that I was on the "special" bus.

[LessinSF]

Living in SF, I know many gays/lesbians who would endorse your sentiments wholeheartedly. Whether they are 35 and don't want to go to a club where everyone is 25, pretty, and taking sextacy, or they are fed up with politicians like Tom Ammiano.

More importantly, though, I thought some more on the "slut" thing, and decided that, as men, we should also heap opprobrium on our friends and acquaintances who date women who don't put out. These "Uncle Toms" are just as guilty as the women, if not worse.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by purse junkie
Yes, I know some people just plain believe it. I once had a dear roommate tell me in all sincerity that she was very sad I was going to burn in hell for all eternity for being pro-choice and she would never see me again because she'd be in heaven for loving unborn babies. But I always think people who latch onto something that has nothing to do with them like a pit bull and spend their lives harping on it in red-faced outrage have serious issues that go beyond a simple moral belief.

Your dear roomate is a card carrying imbecile, like anyone else who'd value dogma over reason. If there's a God (and I hope there is), I hope to hell he punishes the blindly religious for squandering his greatest gift to man - the ability to reason.

S(religion - the roadblock to every positive advance in modern culture)D