Politics: J'accuse! - Page 271

Gattigap · 05-11-2004, 04:36 PM

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Originally posted by sgtclub
In theory, I think Bush should go too. In practice, we have to choose between alternatives, and I cannot bring myself to vote for JFK or Nader over Bush. If Biden was running, I'd vote for him in a heartbeat.

Well, shit, now you tell us.

Sexual Harassment Panda · 05-11-2004, 04:37 PM

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Originally posted by sgtclub
I cannot bring myself to vote for JFK...

Seriously - why not? Especially with how things are in Iraq, what are your misgivings about him?

Tyrone Slothrop · 05-11-2004, 04:38 PM

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Originally posted by Not Me
If you have read even one of my posts on this topic, then you know that was exactly my point, too. That the pictures made it less safe for those on the front lines. I said that repeatedly.

However, this was not done by Iraqi insurgents. This was done by Al Quaeda and they would have done this no matter what happened in that prison. Daniel Pearl was killed in the same manner way before the prison scandel broke. This killing has nothing to do with the prison scandel. More front line resistence by Iraqi insurgents, though, and more distrust by the Iraqi people will occur because of the prison scandel.

Not this killing, but maybe the next. AQ will find more support in the Arab world because of what we did.

The Larry Davis Experience · 05-11-2004, 04:39 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
well I'd say Daniel Pearl, but that'd make me racist for equating Pakistani al Queda with Iraqui al Queda, plus I'm led to believe there is no al queda in Iraq anyway so this may prove to be a hoax.

Conf to Atticus- very busy now will respond to your above later- must do legal work sometimes- where the fuck is bilmore?

You may have only had time for a zinger instead of a real response, so please excuse me if I'm reading too much into this, but the Pearl argument doesn't carry much weight with me, and not because of racism. Can't you see how the AQ version of Not Me might not care about what happened to Daniel Pearl? "Look what they did to our brother Arabs! Cut off the prisoner's head! It's no worse than what they would do to us!" It seems pretty weird to say that the terrorists would be even more culpable because they didn't realize that they started all this by killing an american journalist.

The vicious cycle to me lies less in the escalation of horrible violent acts and more in AQ/insurgent recruiting. The pics get shown, justifiably angered Iraqis want to (less justifiably) kill US troops, those Iraqis and others nearby get detained in a sweep and sent to Abu Ghraib for "interrogation", and so it goes, unless we show the world that the cycle ends here, on our watch. That's what I hope we can still accomplish.

eta and Ty beats me to the punch by taking only two sentences to say the same thing. I must be getting paid by the word or something.

Not Me · 05-11-2004, 04:42 PM

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Originally posted by ltl/fb
It isn't a loser argument in the sense that now we've started into a vicious cycle -- their beheading the guy will now make it more likely and understandable for Americans to do stupid inhumane unnecessary things to Iraqis, which will in turn make it more likely and understandable for Iraqis to do stipid inhumane unnecessary things to Americans and so on and so on and so on.

You are fucking retarded. Do you even know who "their" is in "their beheading the guy"? It is AQ, not the Iraqis. "They" killed 3000 people on 9/11 way the fuck before the prison scandel.

JFC.

Tyrone Slothrop · 05-11-2004, 04:43 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Ty, this is a loser argument. Drop it now, withdraw it now.

Are you kidding me? This is a PR disaster.

Shape Shifter · 05-11-2004, 04:43 PM

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Originally posted by sgtclub
If Biden was running, I'd vote for him in a heartbeat.

Because plagiarism is in?

Not Me · 05-11-2004, 04:47 PM

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Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
*Paraphrasing the old PB, now suspiciously lost.

I think Ty has it.

ltl/fb · 05-11-2004, 04:50 PM

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Originally posted by Not Me
I think Ty has it.

BTW, based on the artist's rendition of you topless, if you think your breasts don't look fake you are sadly mistaken. Not that you being delusional should come as any surprise to anyone.

sgtclub · 05-11-2004, 04:52 PM

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Originally posted by Sexual Harassment Panda
Seriously - why not? Especially with how things are in Iraq, what are your misgivings about him?

Here are a few . . .

1. I believe he is a political opportunist, much like Bill Clinton only worse.* I believe that everything he has done in his life, including his service in Viet Nam, has been with an eye towards how this would play politically. I also believe he is COMPLETELY unprincipled and votes and panders with the political winds of the day.

*I realize that all politicians are political opportunists, so this is just a matter of degree.

2. Although I believe anybody, including Kerry, would likely improve our chances in Iraq, I believe that Bush has generally done a fantastic job on the war on terror, which is my most important issue. I don't believe Kerry would be as good because I believe he has a lot of 70s era baggage that he would carry with him in his relationships with CIA, FBI, the military, etc.

3. I think Kerry's ideas of tax policy are morally wrong, and tax policy/size of government is my number 2 issue. Bush has been good on tax policy, but abysmal on size of government issues. Even still, he's better IMHO than Kerry would be.

Did you just call me Coltrane? · 05-11-2004, 04:52 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Not this killing, but maybe the next. AQ will find more support in the Arab world because of what we did.

Does Al Queda want Bush out of office? It seems that without Bush, they've got no real enemy, right? With ANYONE else in office, their recruitment will almost surely lose steam won't it? Don't they need him to be a face for what they think is evil? Having someone else in office would be a disaster for them b/c it's not like the pursuit of AQ will let up (at least I hope not). So, they'll be pursued equally if not more strictly and they won't get to use his face and Christian fundamental quotes to outrage the Arab world.

All of this, of course, is based on them thinking logically, which they are incapable of b/c they are fucking insane.

I could be completely wrong and am just throwing this out there. Your thoughts?

sgtclub · 05-11-2004, 04:54 PM

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Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Because plagiarism is in?

I don't get this. Was he accused of pagiarism?

Atticus Grinch · 05-11-2004, 04:55 PM

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Originally posted by sgtclub
Here are a few . . .

1. I believe he is a political opportunist, much like Bill Clinton only worse.* I believe that everything he has done in his life, including his service in Viet Nam, has been with an eye towards how this would play politically. I also believe he is COMPLETELY unprincipled and votes and panders with the political winds of the day.

*I realize that all politicians are political opportunists, so this is just a matter of degree.

2. Although I believe anybody, including Kerry, would likely improve our chances in Iraq, I believe that Bush has generally done a fantastic job on the war on terror, which is my most important issue. I don't believe Kerry would be as good because I believe he has a lot of 70s era baggage that he would carry with him in his relationships with CIA, FBI, the military, etc.

3. I think Kerry's ideas of tax policy are morally wrong, and tax policy/size of government is my number 2 issue. Bush has been good on tax policy, but abysmal on size of government issues. Even still, he's better IMHO than Kerry would be.

Confidential to Panda: Give up. Our focus groups indicate Clubby is not a swing voter, no matter what he might say. He's political jailbait --- tempting to reach for, and you can brag about bagging him to your more discreet friends, but you'll hate yourself in the a.m.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) · 05-11-2004, 04:57 PM

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Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
Does Al Queda want Bush out of office? It seems that without Bush, they've got no real enemy, right? With ANYONE else in office, their recruitment will almost surely lose steam won't it? Don't they need him to be a face for what they think is evil?

Huh? Is Kerry going to give up all support for Israel, and let it return to being Palestine?

Who are president is matters only slight to Al Qaeda. The enemy is the US and its supposed world imperialism, support for judaism and concommitant desire to restrain islamic self-determination.

If Kerry would change that, I'm buying a Prius and stock in nuclear power cos.

Not Me · 05-11-2004, 04:57 PM

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Originally posted by ltl/fb
BTW, based on the artist's rendition of you topless, if you think your breasts don't look fake you are sadly mistaken. Not that you being delusional should come as any surprise to anyone.

The "artist's rendition" of me doesn't even have any nipples. My breasts do not look like two cantaloupes stuck on my chest without nipples like that dolly.

It was a joke. If I find a reasonable facsimile of mine on ratemyimplants.com or on playboy, etc., I will let you know and then you can check them out.

BTW - Are you gay?