Still Hating America.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter

• AMERICAN FREEDOM AGENDA
  910 SEVENTEENTH STREET, NW SUITE 800
  WASHINGTON, DC 20006
  WWW.AMERICANFREEDOMAGENDA.ORG
  
  
  
  April 16, 2007
  
  
  Honorable George W. Bush
  President of the United States of America
  1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
  Washington, DC 20500
  
  
  Honorable Alberto Gonzales
  Attorney General
  U.S. Department of Justice
  950 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
  Washington, DC 20530-0001
  
  
  Dear Mr. President and Attorney General:
  
  We, the undersigned co-founders of the American Freedom Agenda, urge the Attorney General to submit his resignation and the President to accept.
  
  Mr. Gonzales has presided over an unprecedented crippling of the Constitution's time-honored checks and balances.
  
  He has brought the rule of law into disrepute, and debased honesty as the coin of the realm.
  
  He has engendered the suspicion that partisan politics trumps evenhanded law enforcement in the Department of Justice.
  
  He has embraced legal theories that could be employed by a successor to obliterate the conservative philosophy of individual liberty and limited government celebrated by the Founding Fathers.
  
  In sum, Attorney General Gonzales has proven an unsuitable steward of the law and should resign for the good of the country.
  
  The President should accept the resignation, and set a standard to which the wise and honest might repair in nominating a successor, who will keep the law, like Caesar's wife, above suspicion.
  
  Sincerely,
  
  Bruce Fein, Chairman Richard Viguerie David Keene Bob Barr John Whitehead

http://www.time.com/time/nation/arti...610767,00.html

I like this organization! first thing let's built a wall between our intelligence agencies so they don't go sharing information.

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
I like this organization! first thing let's built a wall between our intelligence agencies so they don't go sharing information.

2. Can you imagine how different history would have been if the White House had gotten a memo titled something like "Bin Laden Determined To Attack Inside The U.S." before 9/11 happened, instead of being kept in the dark by feuding intelligence agencies?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by ironweed
2. Can you imagine how different history would have been if the White House had gotten a memo titled something like "Bin Laden Determined To Attack Inside The U.S." before 9/11 happened, instead of being kept in the dark by feuding intelligence agencies?

it's the President's job to go catch guys, like how Bush didn't catch Bin ladin in the mountains, right?

say if the report said "he's going to hijack some planes and fly them into buildings," how do you prevent 9/11? Immediately improve airport security? it took about 6 months AFTER 9/11 before the Dem congress did anything- ain't nothing would have happened. the only way it could have been prevented is if information was shared about the people here. oh. or if we had attacked afghansitan back when bin Ladin was blowing up our embassies.

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
it's the President's job to go catch guys, like how Bush didn't catch Bin ladin in the mountains, right?

say if the report said "he's going to hijack some planes and fly them into buildings," how do you prevent 9/11? Immediately improve airport security? it took about 6 months AFTER 9/11 before the Dem congress did anything- ain't nothing would have happened. the only way it could have been prevented is if information was shared about the people here. oh. or if we had attacked afghansitan back when bin Ladin was blowing up our embassies.

It is shame how US War Leaders have completely washed your brain for this subject.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by ironweed
It is shame how US War Leaders have completely washed your brain for this subject.

if two with as much in common as you and me can't agree on anytihng what hope is there, really, for any sucess? I'm going shia. the ritual whippings will be a nice change from the physical denial the rest of the year.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Do you know where he lives, knucklehead?

Duh. Podunkville. Hello?

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I don't think Imus is an asshole. He's doing the same thing Howard and Opie and Anthony do. The only difference is, he held himself out as some higher brow form of the medium.

Sebby -- they are clearly all assholes. Its a prerequisite for the job.

S_A_M

[OK. I've sometimes been caught up in listenting to Stern -- like watching a car wreck. My wife used to listen every morning until our first kid was about a year old.]

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
Sebby -- they are clearly all assholes. Its a prerequisite for the job.

S_A_M

[OK. I've sometimes been caught up in listenting to Stern -- like watching a car wreck. My wife used to listen every morning until our first kid was about a year old.]

I like Stern. I thought Imus was OK and I think Opie and Anthony are funny.

Its not a car wreck at all. And its not a "guilty pleasure." It's funny, and a lot of what's funny about it is its really fucking rude, and says a lot of things people would like to say but can't.

IMO, high brow and low brow are characterizations for people who are more interested in what people think of what they're watching or listening to than actually enjoying what they're listening to or watching.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Opie and Anthony are funny.

i only listen to them for about 15 minute stretches- after I drop my kid at school and until I get to work. Now I know part of liking, say Howard, is knowing the personalities, so maybe I would need to give O&A more time- BUT I really don't find them funny at all. They replaced Rover's morning glory, which replaced Stern. The first week I really thought they were funny, but then realized that they'd been playing their very best stuff as an introduction.

they are better than rover, who was unlistenable.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
i only listen to them for about 15 minute stretches- after I drop my kid at school and until I get to work. Now I know part of liking, say Howard, is knowing the personalities, so maybe I would need to give O&A more time- BUT I really don't find them funny at all. They replaced Rover's morning glory, which replaced Stern. The first week I really thought they were funny, but then realized that they'd been playing their very best stuff as an introduction.

they are better than rover, who was unlistenable.

Jimmy Norton's funny. He's basically the show. I don't know why Opie's even there.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Jimmy Norton's funny. He's basically the show. I don't know why Opie's even there.

I don't know anything about any of these folks, but this seems plausible:

• The talk radio world, one that Imus worked hard to shape, is one where overpaid white guys who did well in the voting for the title of "Class Clown" at their respective high schools sneer at blacks, women, gays, what have you, in a dismayingly self-congratulatory tone.
  
  ....I remember that when Howard Stern began a short-lived tenure of having his show broadcast in New Orleans, he held a press conderence, and one of the local reporters asked him how he would compete with the hilarious, daring wild man talk guy who was already doing a New Orleans morning show, and whose name escapes me. Stern, who'd clearly never heard the local guy's name, said something like, what's he do, like a Southern guy and a black guy and a gay guy, all the while doing high-school level impersonations of a drawling hick, a Stepin Fetchit type, and a nelly dude, which did indeed sound exactly like the local guy's repertoire of funny voices. I remember that the New Orleans reporter was stunned by this, and seemed genuinely unaware that there was some yokel doing the same basic act at some radio station in every city in America.

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[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I don't know anything about any of these folks, but this seems plausible:

• The talk radio world, one that Imus worked hard to shape, is one where overpaid white guys who did well in the voting for the title of "Class Clown" at their respective high schools sneer at blacks, women, gays, what have you, in a dismayingly self-congratulatory tone.
  
  ....I remember that when Howard Stern began a short-lived tenure of having his show broadcast in New Orleans, he held a press conderence, and one of the local reporters asked him how he would compete with the hilarious, daring wild man talk guy who was already doing a New Orleans morning show, and whose name escapes me. Stern, who'd clearly never heard the local guy's name, said something like, what's he do, like a Southern guy and a black guy and a gay guy, all the while doing high-school level impersonations of a drawling hick, a Stepin Fetchit type, and a nelly dude, which did indeed sound exactly like the local guy's repertoire of funny voices. I remember that the New Orleans reporter was stunned by this, and seemed genuinely unaware that there was some yokel doing the same basic act at some radio station in every city in America.

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That caricature is exactly what I'd expect from some jackass who thinks he's "high brow." The simple fact is, Opie & Anthony, Howard and Imus are just fucking funny.

I listened to a fucking David McCullough book when I wasn't listening to Opie & Anthony on the road last week and had dinner with gay people two nights ago. Am I cultured enough? Perhaps I could talk about "acceptance" and "tolerance" with people more often. I watched South Park for two hours yesterday, then "The Squid and the Whale." Where would that tool place on his "troglodyte to 'elite'" meter? Is Jeff Daniels indie enough? It was a Wes Andersen vehicle. Ahem, ahem.

I know you're distancing yourself from that quote, and that's a good thing, because that attitude - that "I am such a cultured person and you're not" stuff - is such insecure horseshit. It's a way for effete douchebags to try to define themselves because they have no real creativity to hold them apart from the masses.

I like locker room humor, and I laugh at really, really rotten things all the time. So do we all. So what? It's just human.

PS: Who would you rather have a drink with - class clown or head of the students for tolerance and understanding club? They're not mutually exclusive, but I assure, one tends to be a hell of a lot more fun than the other. Ever had dinner with someone who had a real hard for "justice" issues or fancied himself an academic (as opposed to an actual academic)? They can't get the drinks to you fast enough.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by bilmore
Had a big bees' nest in my backyard last fall. Tons of bees cruising around, periodic stinging of the innocent, constant low bee-stress on the decks.

I had to go in and spray it and hose it and pull it out. TONS of really pissed-off bees swarming around for an hour or two, really dangerous back yard.

And then, no more bees.

So, to that extent, yeah, Blix is right that the initial attack on the bees' nest made it worse, but it was a temporary worsening, and it paid off with the end of the bees. To argue that I should have left the nest there because the bees would be pissed as they died out is . . . well . . . dumb.

So is The Surge kind of like using the hose and a supersoaker?

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I like Stern. I thought Imus was OK and I think Opie and Anthony are funny.

Its not a car wreck at all. And its not a "guilty pleasure." It's funny, and a lot of what's funny about it is its really fucking rude, and says a lot of things people would like to say but can't.

IMO, high brow and low brow are characterizations for people who are more interested in what people think of what they're watching or listening to than actually enjoying what they're listening to or watching.

OK.

But like I told my wife, I didn't want our daughter's first word to be "anal."

S_A_M

[andViolins]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
OK.

But like I told my wife, I didn't want our daughter's first word to be "anal."

S_A_M

That's called good parenting.

aV