Waiting for Fitzgerald

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by LessinSF
it's not the right time to be sober
now the idiots have taken over
spreading like a social cancer, is there an answer?

Mensa membership conceding
tell me why and how are all the stupid people breeding
Watson, it's really elementary
the industrial revolution
has flipped the bitch on evolution
the benevolent and wise are being thwarted, ostracized, what a bummer
the world keeps getting dumber
insensitivity is standard and faith is being fancied over reason

darwin's rollin over in his coffin
the fittest are surviving much less often
now everything seems to be reversing, and it's worsening
someone flopped a steamer in the gene pool
now angry mob mentality's no longer the exception, it's the rule
and im startin to feel a lot like charlton heston
stranded on a primate planet
apes and orangutans that ran it to the ground
with generals and the armies that obeyed them
followers following fables
philosophies that enable them to rule without regard

there's no point for democracy when ignorance is celebrated
political scientists get the same one vote as some Arkansas inbred
majority rule, don't work in mental institutions
sometimes the smallest softest voice carries the grand biggest solutions

what are we left with?
a nation of god-fearing pregnant nationalists
who feel it's their duty to populate the homeland
pass on traditions
how to get ahead religions
And prosperity via simpleton culture

the idiots are takin over [x8]

the babyjesuschristsuperstar smiles at the thought of it.

[sgtclub]

Now that the indictments are in, isn't it time for the tally? I'm pretty sure I won something for betting there would be no indictment on the leak issue, but as I recall there were a range of bets out there.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by sgtclub
Now that the indictments are in, isn't it time for the tally? I'm pretty sure I won something for betting there would be no indictment on the leak issue, but as I recall there were a range of bets out there.

You are first amongst many Club. In truth, all real and patriotic Americans win, given that Rove was unindicted.

[BREAKING]By the by, anyone else hear that Janice Rogers Brown was spotted entering the White House this afternoon?!?! This is looking good......more to follow.....[/BREAKING]

[SlaveNoMore]

Penske_Account
[BREAKING]By the by, anyone else hear that Janice Rogers Brown was spotted entering the White House this afternoon?!?! This is looking good......more to follow.....[/BREAKING]

Given that POTUS and Andy Card left for Camp David this morning, I can only assume she was merely taking the tour.

[SlaveNoMore]

from www.nationalreview.com

Fitzmas” Day
October 28, 2005

The breathless waiting is over. Fitzmas Day has arrived. And those George W. Bush critics who have so eagerly anticipated it have to be a little disappointed.

There has been much high-minded talk about how the Valerie Plame controversy is really about the case for the Iraq war. No. For liberals, it has always been about inflicting as much damage as possible to the Bush White House, especially by taking out through indictment its most central player in the person of Karl Rove. That has not happened. Nor has special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald alleged a conspiracy at the top levels of the Bush administration to out a CIA agent. What he instead charges in his five-count indictment is that Vice President Dick Cheney’s chief of staff, Lewis “Scooter” Libby, lied to investigators about conversations with three reporters. This long-hyped, two-year investigation appears to come down, in other words, to one man's alleged dishonesty when investigators came knocking. This is not Watergate or Iran-Contra, but neither is it a trifle.

Please spare us the excuses warmed over from Democratic talking points in the 1990s: the prosecutor is out-of-control, there was no underlying crime, etc., etc. It is the responsibility of anyone, especially a public official, to tell the truth to FBI agents and grand juries. If Libby didn't, he should face the consequences. Fitzgerald's indictment is not a Ronnie Earle-style partisan production, held together with scotch tape and malicious intentions. But this is the prosecutor's day, when he gets to make the argument against his target unrebutted. Libby will get his chance to respond, and it might be that Fitzgerald's case looks weaker soon.

But conservatives would be well-advised not to start slamming Fitzgerald. We don't know all the facts and until we do, his acts are open to dueling interpretations. It seemed unfair for him to talk at his press conference of Libby damaging national security by revealing classified information, when Libby wasn't charged with that. But this was a departure for the otherwise restrained and responsible Fitzgerald. The Bush administration, for its part, has conducted itself with notable forbearance in this case, avoiding the sort of smears that the Clinton administration routinely resorted to whenever a prosecutor proved inconvenient.

Fitzgerald's merits aside, the limits of special-prosecutor investigations were once again evident in this case. Two years later, we still don't know important facts. Was Plame covert? Fitzgerald can't or won't say. Who is “Official A” (although we can all guess)? Who were the other unnamed officials? It is a prosecutor's job to build a criminal case, period, full stop. But in high-stakes political controversies, that's not really the public interest — disclosure is. Then, everyone knows the facts and the public can make its judgments on what is appropriate. Offending officials can be punished with resignations and public obloquy. Except in dire cases — say, bribery — that process should take precedence over prosecutions rather than the other way around.

Unfortunately, Republicans and Democrats engage in alternating opportunism over “the criminalization of politics,” and it is the Democrats’ turn to pin their political hopes on the work of a prosecutor. — The Editors

[Penske_Account]

Sen. Edward M Kennedy, D-Mass., said the indictment marked a "signifying a new low since Watergate in terms of openness and honesty in our government."


No. Sorry Bloatedboy.

This low is above the low that was registered when a US Senator attempted to bribe his cousin to lie to law enforcement and accept the Senator's role in the wrongful death of a lovely innocent young girl.

Also this low is above the low of a post-Watergate Governor who beats and rapes a local businesswoman and then sends his wife after the woman to threaten her with additional harm if she goes to law enforcement and makes a complaint.

Also this low is above the low of a post-watergate US President who presents a false affidavit to a federal judge in a civil suit against the President in order to influence the judge's ruling on a material issue.

Also this low is above the low of a post-watergate US President who lies under oath during a deposition in a federal lawsuit.

Also this low is above the low of a post-watergate US President who violently sexually assaults a recently widowed party fundraiser in the White House.

Also this low is above the low of a post-watergate US President who masturbates into the sink in the Oval Office in front of a White House intern.

Also this low is above the low of a post-Civil War, post-Civil Rights era Demo party that holds out a Ku Klux Klan Kleagle as its conscience.

Those lows are unparalled in modern times. What a sad corrupt sinful organisation the DNC is. No wonder America is running from it.

[SlaveNoMore]

Penske_Account
Sen. Edward M Kennedy, D-Mass., said the indictment marked a "signifying a new low since Watergate in terms of openness and honesty in our government."

Penske, he said "since" Watergate and Teddy drowned Mary Jo BEFORE Watergate. Your rant is a bit off.

That being said, I guess Ted was drunk and missed it when Clinton was impeached, Hillary "could have been indicted over Travelgate" and 2 members of his cabinet, Espy and Cisneros, were indeed indicted.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Penske, he said "since" Watergate and Teddy drowned Mary Jo BEFORE Watergate. Your rant is a bit off.

That being said, I guess Ted was drunk and missed it when Clinton was impeached, Hillary "could have been indicted over Travelgate" and 2 members of his cabinet, Espy and Cisneros, were indeed indicted.

Had Espy and Cisneros resigned before the indictments were issued?

Also, I'm not seeing how lying under oath to a grand jury is worse than lying under oath in a deposition.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
Had Espy and Cisneros resigned before the indictments were issued?

Also, I'm not seeing how lying under oath to a grand jury is worse than lying under oath in a deposition.

You're blinded by godless partisan rhetoric, but can you see how rape or sexual assault might be?

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
You're blinded by godless partisan rhetoric, but can you see how rape or sexual assault might be?

I was not commenting on those issues. Please address the question at hand. Thanks.

Nice to see you no longer claim god for the Rs, though.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
I was not commenting on those issues. Please address the question at hand. Thanks.

Nice to see you no longer claim god for the Rs, though.

How about Clinton's impeachment? Much lower low than Libby.

Also, why do you think I abandoned the truth of the lord's grace. Everyone knows God and his son babyjesus are Rs. The demos are the ones who seek the low road of godless socialism. Although they respect radical Islam, no?

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Everyone knows God and his son babyjesus are Rs.

The Rs who cut social services for the needy and cut taxes on the wealthy, for whom it is easier to fit through the eye of a needle? Or are there other Rs to which you're referring?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
The Rs who cut social services for the needy and cut taxes on the wealthy, for whom it is easier to fit through the eye of a needle? Or are there other Rs to which you're referring?

I am talking about the Rs who have the moral clarity to support a culture of life, anti-bias and the UMC, i.e. people who understand racism, rape, state sanctioned murder are wrong and intolerable.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
The Rs who cut social services for the needy and cut taxes on the wealthy, for whom it is easier to fit through the eye of a needle? Or are there other Rs to which you're referring?

It's bad enough that I got sucked in. Don't you go getting pulled into a fruitless conversation with the board equivalent of the off-the-medication-schizophrenic-having-a-psychotic-episode-on-top-of-schizophrenia homeless person shitting in Pony's vestibule.

ETA though, almost everyone here is arguably having symptoms of psychosis at times:

"One important and puzzling feature of psychosis is usually an accompanying lack of insight into the unusual, strange or bizarre nature of the person's experience or behaviour. Even in the case of an acute psychosis, sufferers may seem completely unaware that their vivid hallucinations and impossible delusions are in any way unrealistic."

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
It's bad enough that I got sucked in. Don't you go getting pulled into a fruitless conversation with the board equivalent of the off-the-medication-schizophrenic-having-a-psychotic-episode-on-top-of-schizophrenia homeless person shitting in Pony's vestibule.

People who have actually been prescribed anti-psychotics should not throw stones in the glass houses in which they live. What the non-medicated should ask themselves is why they support a party that supports rape, murder and racism and attempts to perpetrate rhetoric that implies that whatever Libby may have done exceeds those wrongs.