Where the Kids Come to Mouth Off

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally posted by andViolins
This is from the official rules of MLB:

7.09

. . . It is interference by a batter or a runner when: (g) If, in the judgment of the umpire, a base runner willfully and deliberately interferes with a batted ball or a fielder in the act of fielding a batted ball with the obvious intent to break up a double play, the ball is dead. The umpire shall call the runner out for interference and also call out the batter runner because of the action of his teammate. In no event may bases be run or runs scored because of such action by a runner.

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/of...s/runner_7.jsp

I assume thats why Jeter was sent back to first.

aV

Doesn't this just beg the question Thurgreed was suggesting? Although it is clear to everyone (except maybe Slave) that Arod intentionally knocked the ball away and interfered with the play, was the intent here to break up a double play? Was a double play really a possibility? Arod interfered so he could get to base, not to break up a double play, which realistically could not have happened. I still think the penalty should be that no runners advance. Otherwise, Arod, although called out, still has incentive to knock the ball out because he scores Jeter in the process. But I am not sure the quoted rule applies here.

[andViolins]

Originally posted by Pretty Little Flower
Doesn't this just beg the question Thurgreed was suggesting? Although it is clear to everyone (except maybe Slave) that Arod intentionally knocked the ball away and interfered with the play, was the intent here to break up a double play? Was a double play really a possibility? Arod interfered so he could get to base, not to break up a double play, which realistically could not have happened. I still think the penalty should be that no runners advance. Otherwise, Arod, although called out, still has incentive to knock the ball out because he scores Jeter in the process. But I am not sure the quoted rule applies here.

Well, thats what I found after a quick scan. It also states at the end of the 7.09: PENALTY FOR INTERFERENCE: The runner is out and the ball is dead.

Perhaps that is a catch-all for any and all interference.

aV

[Oliver_Wendell_Ramone]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
Schilling shuts us up
Yanks really want it? Or will
Sox exorcise ghosts?

TM

It's not over yet?
Schilling shuts down Yankee bats
Ankle? What ankle?

The play at first base?
Not cheating? You're not trying.
Worth a shot, A-Rod

Could they lose 4 straight?
Somewhere in New York, the Boss
Sharpening the axe.

[baltassoc]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
While I thought the moment was a horrible reflection of our fans, how the hell would they know what actually happened? It probably looked like the umps just called him out.

I don't see this as an excuse. If they thought "the umps just called him out [for no reason at all / because they hate the Yankees / because MLB wants a game 7 / because GS wants a game 7], they're idiots. Otherwise, they just disagree with the call and - wait, I'm doing this wrong.

THERE IS NO EXCUSE EVER FOR ASSAULTING* PLAYERS OR UMPIRES.


*Placing the subject in a reasonable apprehension of harmful bodily contact, if I recall. They didn't show the baseballs going on the field, so I don't know how close they were to any particular players or umpires, but security felt it was enough of an issue to bring out cops in riot gear.**

** I recognize this may have just been a show of force to settle everyone down; still, they thought it necessary.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Pretty Little Flower
Doesn't this just beg the question Thurgreed was suggesting? Although it is clear to everyone (except maybe Slave) that Arod intentionally knocked the ball away and interfered with the play, was the intent here to break up a double play? Was a double play really a possibility? Arod interfered so he could get to base, not to break up a double play, which realistically could not have happened. I still think the penalty should be that no runners advance. Otherwise, Arod, although called out, still has incentive to knock the ball out because he scores Jeter in the process. But I am not sure the quoted rule applies here.

I saw a different rule cited last night on SC that dealt directly with a runner swatting the ball out of the fielder's hand. I am having trouble with my Westlaw account, though, and haven't been able to research it. God I love law!

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
This is an alleged quote by A-Rod:

"I know that line belongs to me and he was coming at me," Rodriguez said. "Once I reached out and tried to knock the ball, the call went against me. I should have just run over him."

I have to admit, I went to bed before this happened because as exciting as this series is, baseball is not my bag, baby, but it seems to me that he just admitted trying to knock the ball out of the pitcher's hand. So why was he arguing the call? Or did he just later give up the argument?

Are you all crazy?

Every athlete, in every sport, does their best to look innocent when the umps are making their decision. Of course he's going to argue the call. The umps were huddling, trying to figure it out. He's supposed to look like a little doe, drinking watah from a brook when they glance over at him while making their determination. And if the call still goes against us, you argue because you want the umps to feel like you have a case because they just overturned a call and that doesn't happen very often. Maybe you get a close call later in the game.

Good God. Is there a different standard for the Yankees players than everyone else?

TM

[taxwonk]

1 dozen fingerling potatos, washed but not peeled, and quartered lengthwise

1 red onion, sliced Lyonnaisestyle

2 handfuls haricot vert

3 slices bacon, fried crisp and crumbled

1 tbsp dijon mustard

2 oz. sherry vinegar

1 garlic clove, mashed

zest of 1 lemon

juice of 1 lemon

approx. 5 oz. extra virgin olive oil.

salt and pepper to taste

Cook potatos until fork tender, then run under cold water until cool. Blanch beans two minutes in boiling salted water, then shock in ice water. Toss potatos and beans with onion and bacon. Add dressing and salt and pepper. Serves 4.

DRESSING

Combine mustard, lemon zest, garlic, vinegar, lemon juice, and salt and pepper in small bowl. Drizzle in olive oil slowly, whisking constantly or using immersion blender to create an emulsion.


Excellent with grilled fish or lamb. Or add tuna, olives, anchovies, and artichoke hearts over greens to make a salade nicoise.

[Shape Shifter]

Saw it last night.

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Pretty funny, but completely unrealistic. You could totally see the strings for practically the entire movie.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by andViolins
This is from the official rules of MLB:

7.09

. . . It is interference by a batter or a runner when: (g) If, in the judgment of the umpire, a base runner willfully and deliberately interferes with a batted ball or a fielder in the act of fielding a batted ball with the obvious intent to break up a double play, the ball is dead. The umpire shall call the runner out for interference and also call out the batter runner because of the action of his teammate. In no event may bases be run or runs scored because of such action by a runner.

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/of...s/runner_7.jsp

I assume thats why Jeter was sent back to first.

aV

I still think the rule is stupid. There is no punishment if there are no runners on base and someone interferes -- yet, you don't see batters constantly doing their best to interfere, do you? If Jeter had not been on base and Arod pulled the same crap, should we start Sheff off with a strike? Come on.

I guess they have it that way to try to take some of the subjectivity away from the umps. It makes no sense to have Jeter go back to first when he was probably standing on second when it happened, but I can understand having him go back if Varitek fields the ball and Arod kicks him. Then, one can objectively say that Jeter might have been out had Arod not interfered. Hell, it would be in Arod's best interests to do so to avoid being doubled up, since the rule (technically) says Jeter just goes back to first if he does. But you never see that happen either.

TM

[robustpuppy]

Originally posted by taxwonk
1 dozen fingerling potatos, washed but not peeled, and quartered lengthwise

1 red onion, sliced Lyonnaisestyle

2 handfuls haricot vert

3 slices bacon, fried crisp and crumbled

1 tbsp dijon mustard

2 oz. sherry vinegar

1 garlic clove, mashed

zest of 1 lemon

juice of 1 lemon

approx. 5 oz. extra virgin olive oil.

salt and pepper to taste

Cook potatos until fork tender, then run under cold water until cool. Blanch beans two minutes in boiling salted water, then shock in ice water. Toss potatos and beans with onion and bacon. Add dressing and salt and pepper. Serves 4.

DRESSING

Combine mustard, lemon zest, garlic, vinegar, lemon juice, and salt and pepper in small bowl. Drizzle in olive oil slowly, whisking constantly or using immersion blender to create an emulsion.


Excellent with grilled fish or lamb. Or add tuna, olives, anchovies, and artichoke hearts over greens to make a salade nicoise.

Looks tasty, but two things:
(1) How the heck do you slice an onion Lyonnaise style, and (2) Ya couldn't just write "green beans"?

I note you did write "blanch beans," not "blanch haricot verts" or whatever the proper form would be.

Be as hoity toity as you like, it's still potato salad.

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
Are you all crazy?

Every athlete, in every sport, does their best to look innocent when the umps are making their decision. Of course he's going to argue the call. The umps were huddling, trying to figure it out. He's supposed to look like a little doe, drinking watah from a brook when they glance over at him while making their determination. And if the call still goes against us, you argue because you want the umps to feel like you have a case because they just overturned a call and that doesn't happen very often. Maybe you get a close call later in the game.

Good God. Is there a different standard for the Yankees players than everyone else?

TM

O.K., I'll out myself as a Yankee-hater (despite not really caring about baseball), but isn't what Thurgreed is saying right? Everyone does this. You try to look innocent and then you argue the call, hoping that, in the back on the ump or ref's mind, they feel like they owe you one.

Arod did not come off as the type of player everyone hated in little league. He came off as the type of player everyone on the other teams hated in little league. I think the real issue is whether he made a bad call by obviously (to everyone except maybe Slave) interfering and thus preventing Jeter from advancing. If he does not interfere, he is out, but Jeter is on 2nd. If he interferes, he is out and Jeter is called back to 1st. This assumes that the rule Shifter thinks he saw exists, because although 7.09 makes the penalty for intereference clear, I quickly glanced at the three thousand or so subsections of the rule and did not see one that obviously covered what Arod did.

[greatwhitenorthchick]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
Are you all crazy?

Every athlete, in every sport, does their best to look innocent when the umps are making their decision. Of course he's going to argue the call. The umps were huddling, trying to figure it out. He's supposed to look like a little doe, drinking watah from a brook when they glance over at him while making their determination. And if the call still goes against us, you argue because you want the umps to feel like you have a case because they just overturned a call and that doesn't happen very often. Maybe you get a close call later in the game.

Good God. Is there a different standard for the Yankees players than everyone else?

TM

don't be silly. I'm just used to players saying one thing and then sticking to it. Not flip-flopping, as it were. I am 100% neutral on this series. I am only watching it because I like sports and there is nothing else on, sporting-wise, for me to watch these days. Except football.

eta - oh and Fox Sports international - hi PLF!

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by robustpuppy
Looks tasty, but two things:
(1) How the heck do you slice an onion Lyonnaise style, and (2) Ya couldn't just write "green beans"?

I note you did write "blanch beans," not "blanch haricot verts" or whatever the proper form would be.

Be as hoity toity as you like, it's still potato salad.

Bruce: As Larry's Mother
Transcribed from: Comedy Central
Transcribed by: Tlyco@aol.com
[Bruce is Larry's very happy, bubbly mother. He's wearing a bright dress, has a red beehive hairdo, glasses, and bright reddish lipstick.]
Bruce: [opens front door] Oh, you must be friends of Larry's. Don't stand out in the weather, come on in! [leads down hallway] Be careful on the rug; we're having problems with it. Not much really, just a house. Come on! [waving in..into kitchen]

Well, we all know why we're here. It's time to make...[clicks on radio, happy music plays throughout]...potato salad! Potato salad! [sing-songy:] First you take the eggs. Then you add the mayonnaise. Sugar to taste--a little won't kill ya. Then I stir it all up. Boy, I love my kitchen. . .especially in the day. [Daydreaming...wakes up] Well, back to work! [rising from behind them--] Potatoes! You know, I've made potato salad a thousand times and I've still got a lot to learn. [Daydreaming...wakes up] Well, back to work. [giggles] Mix mix, stir stir, him him, her her. How is Larry anyway? Oh, his marks. What to do, what to do.

[singy again:] Radishes and chives. Mix mix, stir stir, I married young, it's all a blur. I can still fit into my wedding dress though. [Quick cut, in dress, turning, showing it off.] See? Still fits. Not a lot of gals can say that. [Cutting to different poses in the dress, then cuts back to dress and apron.] Well, no rest for the wicked! Tada! Go on, take the potato salad with ya. [walking away taking off apron.] Don't mention it.

[Walking back out to front door] Well it's always nice to meet friends of Larry's. And, if you see him, tell him not to feel sorry about his dad. . .and to call! It won't kill him to pick up a phone. [Waves off, and closes door.]



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Credit to Kids in the Hall/Broadway Video

http://www.kithfan.org/work/transcri...ee/potato.html

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
Are you all crazy?

Every athlete, in every sport, does their best to look innocent when the umps are making their decision. Of course he's going to argue the call. The umps were huddling, trying to figure it out. He's supposed to look like a little doe, drinking watah from a brook when they glance over at him while making their determination. And if the call still goes against us, you argue because you want the umps to feel like you have a case because they just overturned a call and that doesn't happen very often. Maybe you get a close call later in the game.

Good God. Is there a different standard for the Yankees players than everyone else?

TM

My thoughts, which aren't very relevant to you post:

(1) I hate the Yankees. I would rather peel off my skin than root for them. Hating the Yankees has been passed down to me from my grandfather to my father to me (b/c the Yanks would win the pennant every year in the 50s and the White Sox would finish 2nd).

Nevertheless...

(2) Red Sox fans have to be the most idiotic, obnoxious and annoying fans out there. My god, SHUT THE FUCK UP. You say you won't lose your identity if the Sox ever win? Bullshit. You love the misery. LOVE IT. It defines you. I want to light all of you on fire for being complete fucking idiots.

So, how do I figure out who to root for? I respect Yankees fans, but hate the Yankees organization. I like the Red Sox, as a team, but loathe their fans.

Your input please.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by robustpuppy
Looks tasty, but two things:
(1) How the heck do you slice an onion Lyonnaise style, and (2) Ya couldn't just write "green beans"?

I note you did write "blanch beans," not "blanch haricot verts" or whatever the proper form would be.

Be as hoity toity as you like, it's still potato salad.

1) Lyonnaise style is slicing lengthwise along the layers of the onion, rather than across it.

2) There is a difference in both size and taste between haricots vert, or French-style green beans and your run-of-the-produce-aisle green beans. The latter are thicker, shorter, and more fibrous. The former are long, thin, and tasty (much as I imagine you to be).

ETA of course it's still potato salad. That's what my dear friend fringey asked for -- a recipe for potato salad with fingerling potatos.