Waiting for Fitzgerald

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I think young republicans become young republicans because they have small dicks.

In support of this, note who buys Hummers. Coincidence?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
The only liberals I love are the ones under my covers, perched between the smooth skin of my inner thighs, making me shout the name of the babyjesuschristsuperstar over and over and over. Yes, its true (and I'm sorry Penske, I really really am): liberal men can fuck circles around my Republican brethren. It's a shameful secret for this right wingnut, therefore post-coitus, I quickly usher them out the back door (over which hangs my double barrel shotgun and dimestore Jesus Christ painting, God Save The People, Me, and You and Yours.)

You have never met me.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
Republicans are inherently insecure and driven by a fear of change, so this shouldn't surprise you. But, at least you'll have a lifetime of abundant guns and missionary lovemaking with the lights off should you choose to marry a conservative.

ETA: Think about it Diane: out of all of the men you've ever known, which ones have been more confident and secure in who they are? Be honest.

Besides me?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
Oh, I said liberal men were better in bed than repub men. BUT.... the inverse is not true. Right wing women are hotter in bed, no matter how we act IRL. You get really hot and crazy action with us, whereas all you get with a liberal chick is hairy armpits and boring patchouli scented sex (NTTAWWT).

Not sure if I agree (although as a general rule the liberals have deficient hygiene) but I am always willing to be proven wrong.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
That’s just an unfair generalization - hardly the sort of thing we should be posting on such a chatboard.

I think young republicans become young republicans because they have small dicks. Some folks think being a republican grants you status, as though the money came with the title (if only...). Nobody can be young and be a real republican. Nobody’s that cynical that early. You only get there when you get older and grow disgusted with the government’s inefficiency and waste. If you’re acting like Alex P. Keaton at 17, you’re a tool. You’re just being a silly contrarian to make up for shortcomings elsewhere... such as “in the sack.”

I agree. I was a Kennedy democrat at 17.

[Replaced_Texan]

I was at a CLE last week, and one of the presentations was an hour long, uh, story, I guess is the best way to describe it, about the criminal trial in Tennessee state court, appeal in state court, writ of habeus corpus to federal court and then writ of habeus corpus to the Supreme Court in 1906.

The defendant was a black man accused of raping a white woman. The trial was horrible. At one point a juror had to be restrained from going after the defendant, and said "If I could get at him, I'd tear his heart out right now." Ms. Taylor could never swear that Ed Johnson was the man that did it. There were over a dozen alibi witnesses that say Ed Johnson was at the Last Chance Saloon at the time of the attack. The defendant's own lawyers had an article in the paper before the trial asking the lynch mob not to blame them from defending the guy. And the only person who identified Mr. Johnson as the attacker identified him as being in the area at the time of the attack only after a $350 reward was announced.

Two black attorneys, who were not involved in the criminal trial, took on the appeal, and had less than thirty days to do so. Noah Parden was the first black man to first chair argue a case in the Supreme Court (an ex parte hearing with Justice Harlen). The United States Supreme Court issued a stay of execution and granted the appeal of habus corpus. The sheriff was ordered to secure Mr. Johnson pending appeal.

The night the stay was announced, all other prisoners were moved from the first floor of the jail to the second and third floors; there was only one deputy on duty (there were usually six or seven); and the lynch mob came, dragged Mr. Johnson out of his cell, hung him from a nearby bridge and shot him when it looked like the rope wasn't killing him fast enough. His last words were "Bless you all. I am an innocent man." Someone pinned a note to his corpse: "To Justice Harlan. Come and get your nigger now."

All terrible, terrible stuff, but the remarkable thing is that the story doesn't end there.

The Supreme Court was pissed. They met with TDR, who sent down Secret Service agents to investigate what the hell happened. The Attorney General, instead of filing murder charges, charged the sheriff and parts of the lynch mob with criminal contempt and the court of original jurisdiction was the Supreme Court. It is the first and only criminal trial heard by the Supreme Court.

Two years later, the sheriff and some of his co-conspiritors were found guilty by the United States Supreme Court and served jail time.

Before going to this CLE, I had absolutely no idea that this case existed.

United States v. Shipp

More information on the case:
The Shipp Trial page

the book by the CLE presenter on the case: Contempt of Court : The Turn-of-the-Century Lynching That Launched a Hundred Years of Federalism, by Mark Curriden, Leroy Phillips.

So my questions are as follows:

Does anyone else here know about this case and am I just an idiot? (I asked this question to the guy who wrote the book, and he said that he spent 11 years researching the case and surrounding events and he has no idea why it's not a more recognized case.)

If no one has heard of it, why the hell not? It seems that it's remarkable in a lot of ways. First black men to argue in front of the Supreme Court, first writ of habeus from a state criminal trial considered by the Supreme Court, first and only criminal trial actually heard by the Supreme Court, interesting federalism issues.

Why the fuck do they not teach this case in law school and/or history classes?

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Besides me?

It bothers you more when a fast female runner passes you than a fast guy, right?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Sexual Harassment Panda
In support of this, note who buys Hummers. Coincidence?

dissent. Have you ever been to Seattle? If every Republican in the city drove a Hummer, it would not explain who drives the other 95% of the Hummers out there. I can't drive 10 miles without seeing at least 20. The liberals talk a good green game, but when push comes to shove the most liberal of the liberals veto public transit and buy Hummers or Suburbans or Land Cruisers or Yukons (that covers about 20% of the cars in Seattle.)

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
It bothers you more when a fast female runner passes you than a fast guy, right?

I wouldn't know. What does it feel like?

[notcasesensitive]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
I was at a CLE last week, and one of the presentations was an hour long, uh, story, I guess is the best way to describe it, about the criminal trial in Tennessee state court, appeal in state court, writ of habeus corpus to federal court and then writ of habeus corpus to the Supreme Court in 1906.

The defendant was a black man accused of raping a white woman. The trial was horrible. At one point a juror had to be restrained from going after the defendant, and said "If I could get at him, I'd tear his heart out right now." Ms. Taylor could never swear that Ed Johnson was the man that did it. There were over a dozen alibi witnesses that say Ed Johnson was at the Last Chance Saloon at the time of the attack. The defendant's own lawyers had an article in the paper before the trial asking the lynch mob not to blame them from defending the guy. And the only person who identified Mr. Johnson as the attacker identified him as being in the area at the time of the attack only after a $350 reward was announced.

Two black attorneys, who were not involved in the criminal trial, took on the appeal, and had less than thirty days to do so. Noah Parden was the first black man to first chair argue a case in the Supreme Court (an ex parte hearing with Justice Harlen). The United States Supreme Court issued a stay of execution and granted the appeal of habus corpus. The sheriff was ordered to secure Mr. Johnson pending appeal.

The night the stay was announced, all other prisoners were moved from the first floor of the jail to the second and third floors; there was only one deputy on duty (there were usually six or seven); and the lynch mob came, dragged Mr. Johnson out of his cell, hung him from a nearby bridge and shot him when it looked like the rope wasn't killing him fast enough. His last words were "Bless you all. I am an innocent man." Someone pinned a note to his corpse: "To Justice Harlan. Come and get your nigger now."

All terrible, terrible stuff, but the remarkable thing is that the story doesn't end there.

The Supreme Court was pissed. They met with TDR, who sent down Secret Service agents to investigate what the hell happened. The Attorney General, instead of filing murder charges, charged the sheriff and parts of the lynch mob with criminal contempt and the court of original jurisdiction was the Supreme Court. It is the first and only criminal trial heard by the Supreme Court.

Two years later, the sheriff and some of his co-conspiritors were found guilty by the United States Supreme Court and served jail time.

Before going to this CLE, I had absolutely no idea that this case existed.

United States v. Shipp

More information on the case:
The Shipp Trial page

the book by the CLE presenter on the case: Contempt of Court : The Turn-of-the-Century Lynching That Launched a Hundred Years of Federalism, by Mark Curriden, Leroy Phillips.

So my questions are as follows:

Does anyone else here know about this case and am I just an idiot? (I asked this question to the guy who wrote the book, and he said that he spent 11 years researching the case and surrounding events and he has no idea why it's not a more recognized case.)

If no one has heard of it, why the hell not? It seems that it's remarkable in a lot of ways. First black men to argue in front of the Supreme Court, first writ of habeus from a state criminal trial considered by the Supreme Court, first and only criminal trial actually heard by the Supreme Court, interesting federalism issues.

Why the fuck do they not teach this case in law school and/or history classes?

Dude, that's a lot of words to be writing on October 31. Don't burn yourself out.


[I think we learned about that case briefly in law school; maybe from my hippie, ex-Berkley public defender Crim professor.]

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
dissent. Have you ever been to Seattle? If every Republican in the city drove a Hummer, it would not explain who drives the other 95% of the Hummers out there. I can't drive 10 miles without seeing at least 20. The liberals talk a good green game, but when push comes to shove the most liberal of the liberals veto public transit and buy Hummers or Suburbans or Land Cruisers or Yukons (that covers about 20% of the cars in Seattle.)

I drive a gas hog. I like it, and I've no intention of ever giving it up (in fact, I'm getting another one this spring). The way I see it, I'm helping get rid of the gas, which will ultimately end the dependency on gas. Lets face it - the only end to oil dependence is to end oil. Its like coke at a New Year's party - nobody's going to stop until the pile's gone. Thats just the way it is.

I'm doing my part. I ask all of you to do the same.

That said, I'd sooner ride a skateboard to work than drive a fucking Hummer. Piece of shit.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by notcasesensitive
Dude, that's a lot of words to be writing on October 31. Don't burn yourself out.


[I think we learned about that case briefly in law school; maybe from my hippie, ex-Berkley public defender Crim professor.]

Reading about that case I feel sort of inspired to actually go to law school. Does anyone know when the next LSAT is?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I drive a gas hog. I like it, and I've no intention of ever giving it up (in fact, I'm getting another one this spring). The way I see it, I'm helping get rid of the gas, which will ultimately end the dependency on gas. Lets face it - the only end to oil dependence is to end oil. Its like coke at a New Year's party - nobody's going to stop until the pile's gone. Thats just the way it is.

I'm doing my part. I ask all of you to do the same.

2.

There is a 28 cents a gallon gas tax here, I am doing my part and more.

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield


That said, I'd sooner ride a skateboard to work than drive a fucking Hummer. Piece of shit.

I don't drive one, but they are big, intimdating, and they piss the liberal commentators off. Enough to make me think about one.

[notcasesensitive]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I drive a gas hog. I like it, and I've no intention of ever giving it up (in fact, I'm getting another one this spring). The way I see it, I'm helping get rid of the gas, which will ultimately end the dependency on gas. Lets face it - the only end to oil dependence is to end oil. Its like coke at a New Year's party - nobody's going to stop until the pile's gone. Thats just the way it is.

I'm doing my part. I ask all of you to do the same.

That said, I'd sooner ride a skateboard to work than drive a fucking Hummer. Piece of shit.

You take your car to work, I'll take my board. And when you're out of fuel, I'm still afloat.

[true story]Two 20-something chicks with no ability to carry a tune whatsoever were screaming this song behind me at the show. They broke the silence barrier on the song before or so, and, as tends to be the case, then proceeded to scream the lyrics of every song thereafter until I turned around and said "You know who sings this song even better? That guy [point to stage]." They stopped singing/screaming at that moment.[/true story]

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I drive a gas hog. I like it, and I've no intention of ever giving it up (in fact, I'm getting another one this spring). The way I see it, I'm helping get rid of the gas, which will ultimately end the dependency on gas. Lets face it - the only end to oil dependence is to end oil. Its like coke at a New Year's party - nobody's going to stop until the pile's gone. Thats just the way it is.

I'm doing my part. I ask all of you to do the same.

Additionally, as James Watt pointed out, When Jesus comes again, He's not going to ask whether we conserved natural resources - He's going to be pissed that His Father put them there for us and we didn't use them up.