Politics: Where we struggle to kneel in the muck.

[andViolins]

Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
Long. Hello. Quote. That. I. Actually. Understood.

Ok, I can understand all of this in the context of abortion. Not that I necessarily agree with the position, but I understand it. However, it doesn't work with the whackjobs that are currently pressuring companies to stop advertising during ABC's Desparate Housewives. I look at sebby's framework and still come away wondering why these people don't turn off the t.v., go kayaking (hi bilmore!) or do anything else than worry about what Club is watching on a Sunday night. [don't deny it Club. I'm sure its one of your guilty pleasures.]

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[andViolins]

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[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Anyone who thinks we would be better off without government meat inspectors should be forced to read The Jungle while eat a hamburger in a third-world country.

I just want him to get a very long sentence, and I wouldn't be terribly upset if they give him the death penalty.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by andViolins
Ok, I can understand all of this in the context of abortion. Not that I necessarily agree with the position, but I understand it. However, it doesn't work with the whackjobs that are currently pressuring companies to stop advertising during ABC's Desparate Housewives. I look at sebby's framework and still come away wondering why these people don't turn off the t.v., go kayaking (hi bilmore!) or do anything else than worry about what Club is watching on a Sunday night. [don't deny it Club. I'm sure its one of your guilty pleasures.]

If they knew they would be strong in the face of these modern social ills, they could chill and go kayaking. But it's hard to be strong. THey might be weak. Better not to find out.

[Say_hello_for_me]

Originally posted by andViolins
Not that I necessarily agree with the position, but I understand it. However, it doesn't work with the whackjobs that are currently pressuring companies to stop advertising during ABC's Desparate Housewives. I look at sebby's framework and still come away wondering why these people don't turn off the t.v., go kayaking (hi bilmore!) or do anything else than worry about what Club is watching on a Sunday night. [don't deny it Club. I'm sure its one of your guilty pleasures.]

aV

I'm not sure he's really talking about Desparate Housewives, but you can ask him.

BTW, do you not agree to any of these parts:
1.) the social compact basis of all law?
2.) the inherent willingness to believe in a higher power?
3.) the moral/immoral basis for oppressing and freeing others?

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
If they knew they would be strong in the face of these modern social ills, they could chill and go kayaking. But it's hard to be strong. THey might be weak. Better not to find out.

There are no social ills. These "ills" are not new. We're just now beginning to be a more honest society because we bring them to the surface and technology lets us hear about them more easily. The whole notion that we're somehow like Old Rome is ridiculous nonsense. People had all the perversions they do today 5000 years ago. These people who write to ABC want to turn back the clock to a time which never existed. They're arguing that we should be like Ostriches rather than be honest about reality. I don't know how you defend a positon that flawed. But I guess it explains a lot about why they're so shrill and flailing in thei condemnations - it must be a hell of thing to have to argue the absurd all the time on the national stage.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
I'm not sure he's really talking about Desparate Housewives, but you can ask him.

BTW, do you not agree to any of these parts:
1.) the social compact basis of all law?
2.) the inherent willingness to believe in a higher power?
3.) the moral/immoral basis for oppressing and freeing others?

What are these three things? How are you using them?

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Not Bob
Because they can. And because people like you who care more about your wallet than being left alone vote for the GOP.

Please tell me how the how social GOP affects your daily life in an adverse way. Abortion is legal. What other complaints do you have.

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by andViolins
[don't deny it Club. I'm sure its one of your guilty pleasures.]

aV

Haven't seen it yet. Is it good? I'm always down for trash TV.

[Say_hello_for_me]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
How are you using them?

Morally.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by sgtclub
Please tell me how the how social GOP affects your daily life in an adverse way.

Shades of Mussolini and he whose name shall not be invoked.

Originally posted by sgtclub

Abortion is legal. What other complaints do you have.

I think it's important that the gov't not be allowed to do a whole lot of things that the PATRIOT Act, for example, allows them to do and most of the things they want to add to the PATRIOT Act. I think it's important that they not be able to hold ANYONE, regardless of nationality, for years on end without access to courts or lawyers. For example.

Similarly, I don't like a lot of the restrictions that have been put on abortions. You don't see mandatory waiting periods for getting a boob job or whatever. And mandatory waiting periods, while they don't affect me because I live in a large urban area and so can go to a clinic to register or whatever and then go straight to work, do affect people who live in more isolated areas and have to travel a long way.

Those are examples, not an exhaustive list.

[baltassoc]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Anyone who thinks we would be better off without government meat inspectors should be forced to read The Jungle while eating a hamburger in a third-world country.

Reading The Jungle is often redundant to the exercise.

I still don't know (and don't want to know) what was poking out of that sausage served to me in Latvia.

[Diane_Keaton]

Originally posted by andViolins


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I kind of like this one, myself.

[andViolins]

Originally posted by sgtclub
Haven't seen it yet. Is it good? I'm always down for trash TV.

Well, it has murder, drugs, adultery, violence and 4 very attractive women in it. The writing is pretty good and it seems to have a sustainable plot line for at least one season. Whats not to like?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
There are no social ills. These "ills" are not new. We're just now beginning to be a more honest society because we bring them to the surface and technology lets us hear about them more easily. The whole notion that we're somehow like Old Rome is ridiculous nonsense. People had all the perversions they do today 5000 years ago. These people who write to ABC want to turn back the clock to a time which never existed. They're arguing that we should be like Ostriches rather than be honest about reality. I don't know how you defend a positon that flawed. But I guess it explains a lot about why they're so shrill and flailing in thei condemnations - it must be a hell of thing to have to argue the absurd all the time on the national stage.

While it's always been harder to keep 'em down on the farm after they've seen Paris, it's a lot easier to see Paris from the farm now. Also, technology has changed the farm a lot. For example, lots of blacks left the rural South for the urban North in this century -- dislocation produced by economic progress. This changes are threatening, and profound. How better to deal with it than by electing someone who promises to turn back the clock?